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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 187 Posts 
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On Dec 17, 2014, RNK wrote: "THE" pioneer of American slavery??? That's a totally disingenuous interpretation of Johnson's status. After having been caught and sold into slavery himself, Johnson earned his freedom after years of indentured servitude. He then took ownership of a plot of land and acquired the services of 5 indentured servants, one of which was Johnson's own son - Johnson had bought out his son's contract (seems like the fatherly thing to do, no?). At any rate, the Atlantic slave trade flourished due to the acquisition of slaves by (mostly) Western Europeans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade Quote:
The Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade took place across the Atlantic Ocean from the 16th through to the 19th centuries. The vast majority of those enslaved that were transported to the New World, many on the triangular trade route and its Middle Passage, were West Africans from the central and western parts of the continent sold by West Africans to Western European slave traders, or by direct European capture to the Americas. Quote:
So for all you liberals who want to blame the white man maybe you should read this before you pass blame. It's not about blame. It's about recognizing our history and perhaps understanding why things are the way they are. So for all you conservatives who want to deny that "white privilege" was real, pervasive, and consequential in this country for a long time, I ask again (which still nobody has dared answer)... would you rather have been born black at ANY period of American history (especially prior to around 1950)? Why not? And do you think that the social, cultural, and economic structure that was in place in 1947 (when an entire race of people couldn't even play baseball), and in the '50s and '60s when discrimination was still prevalent in many places, is so easily transformed as to completely level the playing field in a single generation or two? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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1) Blacks could play baseball; just not in the American League or National League. There were other places they couldn't work, either.
2) I think your thought experiment is flawed. Do you think most black people would rather be white today? If not, do you think that proves that white privilege no longer exists?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 187 Posts
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On Dec 17, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Why couldn't they play in the AL or NL? Why couldn't they work other places? By the way, and as you should know, it wasn't exactly a red carpet rollout and marching bands greeting Jackie Robinson as he broke into the big leagues. He (and his family) endured some pretty hard times during his career. And flash forward to 1974 as Hank Aaron approached Babe Ruth's homerun record - he too was the recipient of a lot of explicitly racially motivated hate. One should not receive death threats simply because they play a game. Quote:
2) I think your thought experiment is flawed. Do you think most black people would rather be white today? If not, do you think that proves that white privilege no longer exists? I don't know if most blacks would rather be white today. I can't speak for them. But YOU can speak for YOURSELF. So rather than deflect, why don't you answer my question, Lobo? Do YOU think YOU would have been better off in this country if you were born black (especially prior to 1950)? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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I'm just trying to keep the goalposts in one place.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts
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On Dec 17, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Lobo, it's easier to keep moving the goal posts as it increases the chance of 'catching' ya. Now it's 'prior to the 1950's' as you reversed the question on him and he knows that most blacks would not want to be white. Ron Ron Ron 
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts
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On Dec 16, 2014, landmark wrote: If my skin turned black overnight and all else remained the same, my life would be better because I would have foolish liberal white people worried about my existence and my way of life, even though it should be none of their *** business. If I were in a position where my income depended in some fashion on minority bids, it would greatly enhance my income.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On Dec 17, 2014, Kabbalah wrote: Thanks for answering. If that's what you really believe, I doubt anything I say here will have much meaning for you.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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This New World Order is just a conspiracy theory. Tell the people of New York not to worry.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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An R.I.P. thread becoming a platform for racist rants. There goes a little more of my faith in humanity
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts
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Who's racist critter? I for sure am not, most of my best friends are black, a few are Hispanic. Also have one Jew as a great friend as well.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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I wonder policemen have any black friends left.
It’s a wonder there are any blank men left come to think of it. Do you have any Mohican friends?
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 187 Posts
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On Dec 17, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: No, you're avoiding direct questions. Again... Why couldn't blacks play baseball in the AL or NL? Would you prefer to have been born black at any period in American history? Ron
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 187 Posts
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On Dec 17, 2014, lunatik wrote: What's to "catch", if as you imply, things weren't so bad for blacks in this country? So Lunatik, how would YOU answer the question... would you prefer to have been born black at any period in American history? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts
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Now would be great.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Dec 18, 2014, R.S. wrote: Don't let Critter fool you; if you take a look at that thread, you'll see that he was griping about my not answering his question long after it was answered simply and directly. As for you and your goalposts, the astute reader will notice that one of the question shifted from "Would you rather be black?" To "Would you have been better off if you'd been born black?" And rather than acknowledge that blacks were, in fact, "allowed to play baseball," you morphed into Hank Aaron's death threats 40 years ago. Yes, the American and Antional Leagues were specific leagues in which they couldn't play. There were many workplaces not open to blacks. But they were "allowed to play baseball." Many of them were quite good at it, in fact. Fortunately, we now live in the 20th century, and people of all races are allowed to do just about whatever they want for a profession. The reason I haven't answered the "Would you rare be black" question is that you're speciosly using it as a proxy to purportedly demonstrate that white privilege exists. Which is why you, in turn, avoided the question "If most blacks today would not want to change their race, would that demonstrate that white privilege doesnt exist?" Im pretty sure that most Americans of any particular race would not want to change their race, so singling out any of them actually demonstrates nothing att all.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts
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We await for another question based on information at least 30-40 years ago.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Dec 17, 2014, R.S. wrote: There are far more subtle and profound (and negative) consequences that result from individuals' free will choices and the soft bigotry of low expectations, IMO.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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Well I've certainly never heard the "some of my best friends are ___" defense.
Lobo, cute that you think one thread out of hundreds proves that you commit to positions. After all of these years the only ethical stance I've seen you take is on meat. Even on that thread I still have no idea what your position is on the subject, which certainly leads one to infer that you just enjoy the argument.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Then you haven't been paying attention. I suspect Landmark, for instance, would have no trouble explaining my position on any number of political or moral issues, including abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage, gun control, illegal immigration, and more, simply from comments I've made in NVMS threads. Perception is funny, though; personally, I find you a bit on the evasive side, myself.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Why is it when critter has run out of snark and evasion he accuses those who he can not counter of not taking stances? Dude Lobo has taken definite stances on a wide variety of subjects. Now the interesting part is his libertarian leanings mean you can not know ahead of time with any real certainty what that stance will be. But to say he does not take them is either willful blindness or a comprehension problem.
As for changing race can I be President Obama? Can I be Chris Rock? Sure lets play that stupid game as if it demonstrates anything or helps in the needless deaths. Good plan. Play gotcha and make snarky comments. I am not sure how much that will fix. But then again it is easier when han actually doing something.
Danny Doyle
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