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On Dec 7, 2014, critter wrote:
In my state you cannot legally consent to sex if under the influence and I agree with that law.

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I'm so confused.

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On Dec 6, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote:
Also, we are measuring a man's behavior from many decades ago against our mores of today. Part of my male teenage development cycle was the judicious use of alcohol to increase your odds of having your way with girls, and girls were taught by their mothers to watch out for such shenanigans. (I never did get that one right, I would always get drunk first). Actors and rock stars have built reputations on "conquests" whatever their methods. Why is he being singled out? Is it his "method" or his name? The end crime is the same for anyone whatever approach they use.


Would you excuse Mr. Cosby if he drugged and had sex with your own daughter without her consent?

He is being "singled out" because, IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, he has committed serious crimes.

PS - I'm curious to know which actors or rock stars built their reputations on non-consensual sex?

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Lots of this makes me wonder.

But Laurie hit the nail on the head.

And the fact is we have accusations. Very old accusations. Lets at least let it play out to see what does and does not even need forgiving.
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If the allegations are true, then yes, it is worth him dying with a 'black cloud' over his head. If they are true, he is a disgusting excuse for a human being and dismissing his actions just because he entertained people would be the real tragedy.

"Get out of jail free?" A serial rapist is a serial rapist. If he committed acts of sexual violence against women, that is 100000000000000000% unforgivable.

Yes, this is enough to cloud over his career. Yes yes yes yes yes.

This post enrages me.


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Just trying to sort this out here. What are some of you saying?

Is sit OK if he did these things because it was a long time ago?

or

Is it OK because he is Bill Cosby?

or

Is it that we are not sure because we do not know the facts? This last statement seems like the only logical one.

If he is guilty of these things he deserves what he gets. If he is innocent it is a shame because there will always be a cloud because of the allegations. However with his wealth I do not feel we should feel that badly for him.

The only thought that comes to mind is the murder of his son. This is reaching...but could there be any connection..
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On Dec 7, 2014, acesover wrote:

The only thought that comes to mind is the murder of his son. This is reaching...but could there be any connection..

Given the times and dates involved, I don't see how it could.

Also, the killer of his son said he thought he was robbing a drug dealer.
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I think aces was asking whether some feel empathetic toward Bill because his son was killed, balducci.

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Do you believe forgiveness is available if there is no contrition?
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On Dec 6, 2014, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
If he committed acts of sexual violence against women, that is 100000000000000000% unforgivable.


Bullsh!t


Are you suggesting that drugging and having non-consensual sex with younger women is OK if you go out and do good things publicly?
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No she is not. Why not read what was written and not read into what is written?
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Forgiveness is available, that simple.

Disagree.
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No. There are some acts for which you personally can not forgive another. Not all human beings.
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No she is not. Why not read what was written and not read into what is written?


I'm still confused. Why is it "********" to say that you couldn't forgive Bill Cosby if these charges turn out to be true?
Because, as far as I can see, that was her response to the post that Cosby would be an improbable percentage unforgivable if these charges are true.
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On Dec 6, 2014, magicalaurie wrote:
Sometimes I feel like you guys just don't listen to me.


Sometimes I feel like you just don't explain yourself very well!


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It's a simple truth and if people started to acknowledge that human beings are highly fallible (if you'd like to consider it as such- we could just acknowledge that human beings don't know it all, afterall, and learn as they go, just like everyone else on the planet) and all is forgivable, I believe we'd be living a much more peaceful existence, despite all the proclamations to the contrary. The displays of ego and arrogance and hypocrisy performed by those who proclaim another is unforgivable/unworthy are the very roots of the perpetuation of violence in our society, I suggest. When you get down to it, it is really quite simple. The guy can be forgiven. Some factions of the human population, for some reason seem to think it demonstrates a sort of intellectual superiority by complicating, thus attempting to obscure the truth with Bullsh!t. Clear? Case in point. Bullsh!t summed it up succinctly and you all pressured for complexity... next you'll say I confused you. You confuse yourselves, I say.


No matter how "fallible" human beings are, multiple counts of drugged rape is not something I can say; "Oh well, he did something terrible but who am I to judge him?"
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[quote]On Dec 6, 2014, magicalaurie wrote:
Sometimes I feel like you guys just don't listen to me.

........you are probably correct.

It's a simple truth and if people started to acknowledge that human beings are highly fallible (if you'd like to consider it as such- we could just acknowledge that human beings don't know it all, afterall, and learn as they go, just like everyone else on the planet) and all is forgivable, I believe we'd be living a much more peaceful existence, despite all the proclamations to the contrary.

....yes, that's what jails are for. To allow society itself to forgive.

The displays of ego and arrogance and hypocrisy performed by those who proclaim another is unforgivable/unworthy are the very roots of the perpetuation of violence in our society, I suggest.

.....Bullshit. What does that even mean? ...'the very roots of...?

When you get down to it, it is really quite simple. The guy can be forgiven. Some factions of the human population, for some reason seem to think it demonstrates a sort of intellectual superiority by complicating, thus attempting to obscure the truth with Bullsh!t.

......again, what does this even mean?


From the evidence so far, he was a serial predatory rapist.

If you cannot condemn him for allegations, there is no need for forgiveness from allegations.

However, if this all proves to be true (and with 22-and-counting who's to doubt?) he actually is a serial predatory rapist. He didn't go the regular socially acceptable male route of Booze, Schmooze & Cooze, he just drugged and raped. What's to forgive here? Much to condemn, little to forgive. Was he so important, so pressed for time he couldn't waste Schmooze Time?

It's not a question of US forgiving him on a personal level, that is up to the victims only. WE can only let him off the hook, in our own minds. Sorry, not me. IF, that is, proof is forthcoming. Someone with so little regard for the damaging of others' lives for the sake of a little Kootchy Time doesn't get him off the hook in my book. Ask his victims how much your forgiveness of him helps their lives. It only helps yours, and THAT's an ego stroke in its own right. He doesn't get off the hook.

And if it is all smoke and fake reports, IF he is indeed innocent, we are left with a man of great accomplishments tarnished by false accusations. I'd rather have this than the other. The other is evil.

BTW...weren't some of his accusers underage when they were (supposedly) drugged and raped?

Once again, we must separate the good men do from the evil they do. Both stand on their own, both have their own burdens. Forgiveness is not germane here.
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On Dec 7, 2014, magicalaurie wrote:
...Forgiveness is available, that simple.


Forgiveness from whom Laurie? What does what you mean by forgiveness mean to anyone at home watching and wondering?
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On Dec 7, 2014, Tom Jorgenson wrote:

BTW...weren't some of his accusers underage when they were (supposedly) drugged and raped?


The most recent victim to come forward (that I heard about this week on the radio) was 15 at the time and he allegedly took her to the Playboy Mansion (to a party) and (**details skipped here**). Because she was underage, and because it happened in CA, They said this one may actually see a courtroom due to no statute of limitations on sex with minors under Ca law.
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On Dec 7, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
No she is not. Why not read what was written and not read into what is written?


Disagree. That is exactly what she is saying. All of us "read into" what is written. Else, the written language would be largely useless, but for some scientific and proprietary language to a specific purpose...
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