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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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http://www.drmartinlutherkingjr.com/mlkquotes.htm |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
And how does this light shine upon US so far as the rest of the world is concerned?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Torture Works--in providing the false justification needed to go to war:
"Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s own former chief of staff, similarly wrote: “What I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002 — well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion — its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qaeda. “So furious was this effort that on one particular detainee, even when the interrogation team had reported to Cheney’s office that their detainee ‘was compliant’ (meaning the team recommended no more torture), the VP’s office ordered them to continue the enhanced methods. The detainee had not revealed any al-Qaeda-Baghdad contacts yet. This ceased only after Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, under waterboarding in Egypt, ‘revealed’ such contacts. Of course later we learned that al-Libi revealed these contacts only to get the torture to stop. “There in fact were no such contacts.” [Wilkerson elaborated on this on Democracy Now Wednesday morning, should be posted here. He notes he and Powell agreed to drop the accusation of an al-Qaeda link to Iraq until they were given the "evidence" from al-Libi's interrogation.]" http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/06/h......e-works/
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Jon, I think it entirely depends on whether the criminals will be brought to justice. Otherwise, we might as well be Saudi Arabia.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
People know what we do. ISIS dang sure knows, they learned their methods from us during the cold war. They know. But what do we want to see when we look in the mirror?
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, landmark wrote:...it entirely depends on whether the criminals will be brought to justice.... Those who might be named and accused are not criminals until tried and found guilty. That's one of the things that our society offers. Just who should be named and accused of facilitating such acts, performing such acts etc remains to be seen. I imagine things getting to something about the words "explicitly prohibited" and then more distractions.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
We've gotten used to no indictments.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Punishment and Violence
"'History is the ultimate refutation of the theory that punishment will prevent or deter violence. On the contrary, punishment is the most powerful stimulus of violence that we have yet discovered.'" I suggest that is because everyone knows that punishment is violent, and so it is hypocritical. It sets up a "superiority" complex, which is false. We are one. This knowledge is innate. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, magicalaurie wrote: Hogwash |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, Jonathan Townsend wrote: A very often related mantra and very wrong. Done right you condition them that the truth is the only thing that stops pain. I do not condone it for reasons stated but I wish we could at least be honest snd stop talking points.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, critter wrote: Yes this is the only point. Sums it up quite well.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: That may be, Danny. The key words, though, are "done right." The report substantiates that a lot of bad information was elicited during torture. It appears that even the FBI had thought the CIA had gone nuts with the techniques they were using- many of which were devised by contractors who had NO prior experience in interrogation techniques. |
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FatherWilliam57 New user Beaver, PA 73 Posts |
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It is your decision making I question. I feel it is flawed as you do not see the broader picture. I believe you would make a good follower (soldier) but not a leader. Sorry to hurt your feelings. And I must question your decision making. Every soldier, sailor, airman, and Marine is required to obey all LAWFUL orders of their superiors. Not ALL orders, all LAWFUL orders. Torture is not a lawful order. Any "leader" who would order, condone, or instigate such a thing should/would be prosecuted under UCMJ Articles 90, 91, and 92...and rightfully so. (Like Bob, my service record is also available upon request.)
The Rev. William B. Henry, Jr.
"If this be magic, let it be an art..." - Leontes (Winter's Tale, Act 5, Scene 3) |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 10, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I agree the key words are done right. Yes n
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
Quote: Good for you Father. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.On Dec 9, 2014, FatherWilliam57 wrote:
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
This:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20......eon.html and this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20......ort.html
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Dec 10, 2014, Bob1Dog wrote: How does this work if you replace "Lord" with "Allah"? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
England is also up to its neck in all this torture business but so far got away with it. Lets hope we over here get dragged into the USA Torture Report and good on the USA for at least looking into it.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 10, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: Need a citation for how to test that "done right" . Royal's book? Otherwise its just bluster and anecdotes.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Let's be honest here. All those in high places when asked say, "oh no not me I don't believe in torture I am a good guy I would never etc". Take a step back and be reasonable. Before you read any further I am not trying to go of on a tangent here just reminding those here that those questioned say what the people want to hear.
Here goes: Did you have sex with Monica? I did not have sex with that woman. Nixon I am innocent I did nothing wrong. You can keep your present healthcare if you want. And it goes on. Please be realistic. Those in power and those who make decisions got there because they did what they had to do and say what they had to say and continue to do so. That is their job.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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