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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Oh I see. Thankyou for clearing that up, Whit.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Dec 11, 2014, magicfish wrote: You didn't listen to him very closely, it appears. He backed off the allegation that torture led to bin Laden and said the extent to which torture produced good intelligence was "unknowable." He also pointedly never said that it led to the capture of bin Laden, instead referring only to unnamed al Quaeda leaders. Apparently you just heard what you wanted to hear. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
No. He didn't. Its not at all what I wanted to hear. What he said was that infornation that lead to bin ladens capture came from the waterboarded detainees. Period.
What is unknowable is weather the info came as a direct result of the waterboarding. Perhaps it was you who had the selective hearing? All due respect. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Perhaps my initial wording was inaccurate.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Http://youtu.be/aQ18f9gNkts?t=3m37s
"something that is dangerous, that can kill you that (that) presents this enormous threat is (is) more of a risk to you and therefore more of an ego boost when you kill it." "It's not about evaluating and being scientific and trying to read a specific language. There's no 'angle' for this. It exists in all of us. It's this ability to just connect. And you really have to rely on being in as natural a state as possible." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Dec 11, 2014, magicfish wrote: Yes. Very. Why not refer to what he actually said: Quote:
Brennan sidestepped a question about whether the interrogation tactics — which included simulated drowning, beatings and confinement in coffin-sized boxes — amounted to torture. President Barack Obama, and United Nations officials have said that some of the tactics did. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/cia-tor......-n266401 "Impossible to know" is a significant backstep from the initial definite assertions that waterboarding led to the capture of bin Laden. And, of course, the Senate report completely refutes the notion that torture had anything to do with it. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
No. Incorrect, Bob. The information provided by the three detainees subjected to EIT's DID lead to the capture of Bin Laden. That IS what he actually said. What was "unknowable" was weather the information was given by them before during or after or as a result of the IEC's .
that's what he said. I know because I heard it with my own ears. I didn't read it in any report. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I find it amazing there is even discussion after"it is av war crime"!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Again, according to the Director.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Now if the Director is lying on nation television as Pop suggests, then that's a different story. And if it is a lie, then whats he lying about? Naybe he is lying about it being unknowable.
Maybe they screamed out, "okay we'll talk, just please stop this torture" |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Dec 11, 2014, magicfish wrote: If he doesn't know whether the information came before or after torture (actually, it came before) how can you possibly interpret that to mean that torture lead to the capture of bin Laden? I heard it, too. I also double checked the transcript to be sure I heard it correctly. I note your use of "EITs" instead of the actual word used in the Senate report- torture. Why the euphemism? |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
I never said that he said that torture led to the capture of Bin Laden.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
"What they can teach me about natural living and the way that they exist in their environment far surpasses anything I could ever learn in a textbook." (22:39)
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Dec 11, 2014, magicfish wrote: So to end the debate, post a link to a reputable news source attesting to this.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Reputable news? It was a live press conference.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Dec 11, 2014, magicfish wrote: I'm sure it must be available online somewhere by now. Or a full transcript of what was said.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
But if you insist....http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/cia-torture-report/cia-chief-john-brennan-defends-agency-questions-some-tactics-n266401
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You wrote: "The information provided by the three detainees subjected to EIT's DID lead to the capture of Bin Laden. That IS what he actually said."
No, that's NOT what he actually said. From the link you provided: Quote: Emphasis added
The CIA leader also said that it was "unknowable" whether extreme interrogation tactics directly led to the extraction of useful intelligence. He's clearly stating that he doesn't know whether the techniques led to bid Laden's capture. simply that the detainees were tortured at one time or another. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Correct. Which is exactly what I said. Amd I'll say it one more time for the record.
Information obtained from the three detainees led to the capture and killing of one Osama Bin Laden. However, it is unknowable weather that information came before, during or after the water boarding. Neither the Director nor I ever said that they attained this information directly from torturing. |
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