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3ofclubs Regular user 116 Posts |
I've not owned CSB, but bought one from JB in the "pro" line.
the c/s coin is only a cpl of mm thin (I can post a pic later if needed). I tried it on 4 people and every single one asked about the super thin coin. Both doing it in my hands and on the table. Now, sure, I'm not great a the routine yet, but, it's REALLY thin. Is this 'normal' or are better (more expensive) sets less weird looking. I mailed him and he said that it "had to be thin to fit in the shell". Not happy... (but he said he would refund me) |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
No It should look the Same Size As The Reg. Coin That Match's it!
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
While the CSB _gaff_ is the same size and thickness as the regular coin, the c/s insert by definition must be thinner to fit inside.
The thinness needs to be masked in the handling, but not so much you're obviously trying to hide something. Try to keep the coin viewed straight on to the greatest extent possible, either viewed with your spectator looking at you with the coin held vertically facing them, or with the spectator looking down at it laying flat in your hand or on a table. Side views of the edge are to be avoided. With multiple spectators you probably want to avoid placing it on a table as one of them will likely end up with a good view of the edge. You're a new user with only a handful of posts so it's hard to gauge your level of experience. While the insert _is_ thinner, the effect is a classic and that discrepancy can be easily managed. Here's one example, a snippet from Bob Sheets' Triple Transpo routine. Start watching this video at the 1:30 mark and notice how the handling forces a (mainly) top down view. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te4LnIssXWc I also recommend that you "run, not walk" and get either the "Bob Does Hospitality - Act 2" DVD, or Bob Sheet's recent live lecture for Penguin Magic for the full Triple Transpo routine and explanation. It requires a little more work than the standard "in the pockets" handling, but it's worth the effort. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Earlier today, I just ordered one from him as a Christmas gift from a relative. I will post my thoughts when I get it. I have NEVER had anything but top quality from Mark and Bob and can't imagine this being less than stellar either. It is a hard gaff to find in walkers anymore (usually custom only) but Mark has them listed on the site. I had a Johnson CSB in walker years ago (but had to sell it when medical problems arised) now I am very happy "a replacement" is being given to me for Christmas. The Johnson set also had a thin insert. I would imagine that as Inigmntoya stated "the insert has to be to fit inside" just as the insert of a Hopping Half set (Mine is Johnson in Walker) or (to some extent but not as bad) a sun/moon coin (Mine is by Mark and Bob in Walker) or a scotch and soda insert (had a Johnson in Walker but also sold it for medical issues).
As I am sitting here typing this, I pulled out my CSB (Tango) $1 Euro 50 cent Euro US Quarter and the insert is about 1/2 the thickness of either Euro coin in the set (but looks like a quarter when nested).
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
And If you are looking for Change routines I have some!
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Also, if the "thickness or thinness" of the "Coin" is an issue (as any set would be since that is how they are made) you might want to consider having Mark replace it with an "Orient Express" set and the difference. "Orient Express" is a CSB routine (and set) made of 3 different colored "Chinese Coins" instead of different country / denomination coins. Since they are NOT regular coins, no one would really judge them as they are nothing they have seen before. The routine is scripted well as an observation test (but same effect)
Effect can be found here: http://www.jbtvusa.com/latest-j-b-produc......-723.php
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3ofclubs Regular user 116 Posts |
Thanks guys.
Here are some pics of it. I get it has to fit inside the shell, but this seems SOOO thin |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
That's about the same as mine, but again, it's not intended for that angle to be seen.
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3ofclubs Regular user 116 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2014, Poof-Daddy wrote: Thanks, but not my sort of thing. I know they are made thin, but when nested there is at least 1mm room If people can confirm that the insert pics are 'normal' I will carry on working on the routine and not get one from Todd |
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3ofclubs Regular user 116 Posts |
Hmm, just watched the Doc Eason and beardy Spanish unpronounceable surname dude videos and their coins don't seem anywhere near as thin as this...
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea My Solid C.S.B.I Got from Todd Is not Any where Near That Thin, And it's in barber !
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Dec 10, 2014, 3ofclubs wrote: When nested it should look like a regular coin. There shouldn't be extra room either around the rim or depth-wise sitting in the [. Unless.... If the [ came with a Teflon insert and it was removed I could see how you'd end up with extra room, but that's a special case and not "as designed" |
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3ofclubs Regular user 116 Posts |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
With that set I'd be more concerned about the gold rim being visible, and the gap between the insert and rim on the display of the gaff as the WL half than the thinness of the insert. Still looks serviceable.
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3ofclubs Regular user 116 Posts |
Yeah, that worried me too. Thanks, I'll send this back and put the money towards one from Todd.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
And If Todd is Making Any Of The Solid C.S.B. ( those Are the ones Without the Coin With the hold In it!)
You can do a lot more with it! I have A TON of stuff With it myself! |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On Dec 10, 2014, 3ofclubs wrote: I got mine today. The insert is thin (as it should be to fit) mine also sets inside a hair but not quite as much as yours (Pictured)(yet part of that may be "shadow" that I address later in this post). I compared it to the C/S insert of a Johnson Hopping half set, an insert from a TUC, a C/S insert from a sum/moon coin (also from Mark and Bob). The thickness of the insert is on par with all of them. What I did with mine, was carefully put in a piece of clear teflon tape (I have a roll from when everyone was fixing the Wong STC) and I carefully trimmed the tape out of the hole in the Chinese Shell. The thickness is great now and I am happy with mine. If you were to try the same on yours, you may need 2 (or maybe 3, they are very thin layers) of teflon tape or "Mouse Tape". Quote:
On Dec 10, 2014, inigmntoya wrote: With the teflon inserted and trimmed, the thickness is not a problem anymore. The picture really looks worse due to the insert having to be a bit smaller in diameter in order to separate properly and easily enough. Mine looked like the picture until I added the shim of teflon but there is still a minor "shadow". The gold rim is shiny enough, it blends in when held at the right angles (as you always would a gaff coin). Overall, quite serviceable and I am happy with my purchase. As much as I liked my old Johnson Walking Liberty set that I had for years (with the same issues pretty much), I think this will work fine for me.
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snowpuppy Veteran user Juneau,Alaska 325 Posts |
I have been trying to add some pics to no avail, so just to say, I own a Set just like yours,a Johnson Kennedy Set and a Mason Orient Express Set.The inserts on the Liberty and Kennedy Sets are almost exactly the same thickness, so your insert is normal.But in your picture you have the Liberty side showing,...it should be the Copper side showing....see your instructions for Set - Up.
All in all I like each of my Sets, but must admit that I favor the Orient Set as you don't have to worry about covering the hole and you can flash the inside of the Shell as it is double sided with no worries. Hope this helps, Mike |
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts |
Ive got 2 johnson sets and neither if them are that thin. Mine are both about 20 years old if that matters.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2014, snowpuppy wrote: Good catch, I just got mine and didn't look over Mark's routine yet. I do remember the add copy saying - " The edge of the penny has been blended in to match the gold Chinese shell. Making the coins look excellent whether they are shown as a Penny a Chinese coin or the Liberty half. These sets come with all 3 regular matching coins, Chinese, Liberty Half and the Penny. Although this effect has been covered in numerous books and DVDs, Mark supplies you with his favourite handling." It didn't make sense till now. I just read his handling and it clicked I have been doing "The Old Three Coin Trick" by Doc Eason for so long that I never thought of using the English Penny as the "odd coin out" where I have always used the Walker (when I had my old Johnson Walker set) Quote:
On Dec 10, 2014, inigmntoya wrote: With the "new info" (Mark's routine) this is no longer a problem at all (with the penny side up). But as I said in my earlier post, I think it will fly even with the Walker side (due to the shine and the fact that "I" polish and shine all my coins for better visibility) On a side note, I really like the Chinese Coins used here and checked with Mark if I can get a few extra un-gaffed ones for my "CCC" and "Re-Charmed, I'm Sure" and he does sell them separately. One thing I have never liked about effects with Chinese coins is the fact everyone uses something different. In fact I am not sure any of them are "real". It will be nice to have some consistency / continuity in the coinage used throughout my coin routines. I will be picking up a few next month
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