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KenRyan
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This is part rant (apologies up front), but mostly I'm asking a genuine question. I am trying to soak up the study of magic like a sponge. And I've discovered that I am a VERY visual learner. Videos are invaluable to me. I just wasn't understanding several of the moves in Giobbi's "Introduction to Card Magic" until I followed the YouTube links in the pdf. So very helpful! I'm almost afraid to move on to CC1 (which is sitting right here), because it's a book. There are no YouTube links in books:-P.

But the alternative is always "get the DVDs." Gah! I run a web business whose main products are video tutorials. People buy the courses and are given immediate access to all the videos, which they can either stream from the site (a la YouTube), or (if they must), download to their computers.

My main computer is a MacBook Air. My secondary "computer" is an iPad. There are no DVD drives. Why? Because it is 20-freaking-14. I'm currently in the middle of watching a 4 hour video course on Lynda.com. It's not like bandwidth is a problem on the interwebs anymore.

So now that my little rant is over - I have an actual question. Are there any good tutorials that are web video products? I'm not talking about free videos. I am, of course, willing to pay for these courses. But I'm probably never going to buy a DVD for training unless I absolutely have to. I won't be able to watch it unless I want to co-opt my family's TV so I can study magic.

Am I just going to have to suck it up and find a way to watch DVDs? I suspect I know the answer. But you never know until you ask.

Thanks!

Ken
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Check out llepub.com.
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Ken,

although I admit that in certain cases a video can be helpful, don't give up books! Card College is VERY well written and illustrated.
Anyway on www.lybrary.com you can purchase separate chapters from Card College 1 & 2 where you get the text in pdf plus embedded videos where you see Giobbi silently showing the sleights (these are NOT the same videos you get in his four DVDs of the Card College 1 & 2).
You could rely on these videos only where you find it a little difficult to understand the moves.
Just a question: are you on your own? I mean: isn't there a magic club where you could also find some direct help?
That would also be a good thing!

Keep enjoying your learning phase!
mlippo
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On Dec 14, 2014, Dr. JK wrote:
Check out llepub.com.

Thanks Jeff!

Ken

Posted: Dec 14, 2014 05:39 pm
Mlippo - Thank you! Really good to know. I didn't know CC came in pdf with video links. that's EXACTLY what I wanted. Just got it:).

Thanks again!

Ken
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Penguin Magic offers a lot of the stuff as downloads too. Not just Dvd's
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*Visual learning* is nonsense. How did folks learn before the computer age?

Books are forever.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green

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KenRyan
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Kabbalah - I agree about books. Absolutely. The truly important stuff - the theory, the art, the transfer of experience from master to student - can best be done (if you cannot have that person teach you personally) through his/her words in books. By way of clarification - I learn physical skills - actions - best through observation of the motion better than through static words and pictures. It's my preferred modality. Others have different dominant modalities.

80-90 percent of the benefit I'm getting is from books and other written advice (from this forum, for example). I take in dynamic physical skills faster and more completely if I can observe the motion TOO. That's all I was saying. Really my main complaint was with the FORM of the video (on-line versus DVD). Rest assured, I have and use the books.

Ken
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I prefer video to books for learning magic, like I prefer audio lectures to books for learning some other information. In most subjects I find the combination of book and video preferable to either one alone. I got a DVD player especially for magic since I watch explanations repeatedly and don't like to fiddle with streaming off multiple sites etc.
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KenRyan,

I PMed you last night.
Could you please reply?

Thanks

mlippo
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KenRyan,

I PMed you last night.
Could you please reply?

Thanks

mlippo

Done.
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Ken,

although I admit that in certain cases a video can be helpful, don't give up books! Card College is VERY well written and illustrated.
Anyway on www.lybrary.com you can purchase separate chapters from Card College 1 & 2 where you get the text in pdf plus embedded videos where you see Giobbi silently showing the sleights (these are NOT the same videos you get in his four DVDs of the Card College 1 & 2).
You could rely on these videos only where you find it a little difficult to understand the moves.
Just a question: are you on your own? I mean: isn't there a magic club where you could also find some direct help?
That would also be a good thing!

Keep enjoying your learning phase!
mlippo


mlippo - I got the pdf version of CC1 (so I have both the hard copy bood AND the electronic version now), but I can't view the videos. they show up as just blue squares. Have you had this problem? Not sure yet if it's because I'm using a Mac. The videos don't work on iPad (4th gen) either. I contacted Lybrary.com. Hopefully they will be able to help.

And to answer your question - yes, I am on my own. I have not looked into a magic club here (San Antonio, TX). I'm not even sure what I would do. Are there usually folks willing to show stuff to newbies like me?

Ken
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... yes, I am on my own. I have not looked into a magic club here (San Antonio, TX). I'm not even sure what I would do. Are there usually folks willing to show stuff to newbies like me?

Ken


You ought to go... magic clubs are very welcoming to newbies and yes there will be plenty of people willing to help you.

Now, about reading magic book and trick instructions... One of the first things that all magicians have to do first is learn how to read magic. Magic is the arcane secret language that our spellbooks are written in. Well... it sure seems that way! "The left hand approaches the right and takes..." Once you get proficient at reading and comprehending magic writings it will get easier to understand what the wirter is explaining. Also after a couple of years go back and reread some of your older stuff, you find find yourself understanding much better what the wirter was trying get across... I get ah-ha and lightbulb moments all the time when I go back to an older text that I had read years ago.
"To let understanding stop at what cannot be understood is a high attainment.
Those who cannot do it will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven." - Chuang Tse
KenRyan
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Thanks Bill. Once I'm done recovering from sinus surgery, I'll check it out.

Cheers!

Ken

Posted: Dec 15, 2014 01:34 pm
Mlippo - disregard my question about the CC1 pdf and videos. I just needed to get Adobe Acrobat Reader (as opposed to the default Preview for pdf reading) for the Mac. Now they play fine.

Maybe this will help someone else.

Cheers,

Ken
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I can second mister bills comment. I am new as well and it takes a while to get your head wrapped around the terminology in books. I love books but the descriptions will take time. A key one for me was that magicians call your index finger the first finger. However I took five years of piano so numbering on the keyboard the index was always labelled as two (not one as in magic).

Silly I know but it through me for a bit.

Best to you,
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I honestly don't think anyone has any trouble understanding my books. Since I have only one year of High School I can't get too difficult to understand! HL.

Posted: Dec 15, 2014 04:44 pm - And KenRyan, get whatever equipment necessary to view my DVDs - you may just learn something. But can't promise. Again - I have only one year of High School!!
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KenRyan
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Thanks Harry and GreenKnight and Bill. I will see about getting one of those small portable DVD players. that was something I hadn't thought of.

Cheers,

Ken
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Whatever. Books don't work for me. I download some stuff and buy some DVDs.
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The real thing is still a live mentor. Join magic clubs that have regular lectures, attend magic conventions, build a professional network relationship with a pro. As an old booking agent, I can spot an act copied from a video a mile away.
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The real thing is still a live mentor. Join magic clubs that have regular lectures, attend magic conventions, build a professional network relationship with a pro. As an old booking agent, I can spot an act copied from a video a mile away.

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Vanishingink.com has a lot of video downloads.
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