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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
This article describes how it ended. Apparently the ending was initiated by the hostages themselves:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-siege-e......j5f.html Excerpt: At 2am, more than 16 hours after the siege began, it appears the 12 remaining hostages seized their chance. Monis began to drift off to sleep. They dashed for the exit. Monis roused and started shooting. Tori Johnson, the Café manager, attempted to wrestle the gun from him. Monis shot him dead, although Mr Johnson's wounds suggest he beat him severely before firing the fatal shot, once source said. At 2.03am, six of the hostages ran out a service door. They included Harriette Denny, Jarrod Hoffman and software engineer Viswakanth Ankireddy, a 32-year-old from India who is living in Sydney with his wife and young daughter and working on a Westpac project. Outside, police had heard the shots. And a sharp-shooter had seen Mr Johnson go down, one report said. Now they had to storm the Café or many more people would die, Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said later. About 2.10am they shot down the glass doors and blazed into the Café in a hail of gunfire and lightning flashes of light. In those final seconds, they killed Monis. But the barrister Katrina Dawson – mother of three, and Julie Taylor's coffee companion – was also killed in the firefight. Police believe it was Monis's bullet that killed her.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, Ian McColl wrote: Well, someone's going to say it, so I guess it will be me this time: You're new here, aren't you?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Just shows that laws do not stop bad people from acquiring guns. However the laws do keep guns out of the hands of law abiding people who wish to defend themselves from bad people with guns. Go figure.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Shame. Gay guys are tough. I have seen a few go and never seen one lose yet.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, acesover wrote: Hardly. Law abiding people in Australia may still have guns. But the daily murders in the U.S. (which are so common that most are not even front page news) do show that a widely armed populace doesn't really stop bad people from doing harm either. Given the relative murder rates etc. in the two nations, I'd much rather live under Australia's model.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, balducci wrote: In the same way that daily automobile accident deaths show that seat belts don't really stop people from dying in car accidents.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Yes. In line with what I said (without the need to bring in an unrelated example). (However, like gun laws in Australia, they certainly have helped to reduce unnecessary deaths.) But why weren't you so quick to jump on acesover when he was arguing otherwise?
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
BTW, and I would certainly rather live in a nation with sensible seat belt and child seat and general automobile safety laws than in one without. Much the same as with gun laws, as previously stated.
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Maybe not, but it greatly reduces them. Does the safety catch on a gun, probably the only built-in safety device on it, reduce the fatalities by the same percentage ?
What do we want?
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, Destiny wrote: Does it matter? He was a bloke. His sexual orientation means nothing to me. He was a good guy trying to do the right thing!
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, acesover wrote: Aces, Those laws are not imposed on us by some terrible dictatorship. They have the support of all the main political parties, and of the great majority of the population. As I mentioned earlier, only a small minority, supported by the NRA, ever make any noise about them. Because of our geographic isolation, there are not huge numbers of illegal weapons in circulation so it takes a dedicated and resourceful criminal to access a gun, especially a hand gun (I read somewhere this man had a sawn off shotgun which are easier to get). It is unusual for petty crims to get guns so we tend not to have corner shops being robbed at gunpoint late at night and that sort of thing. Most of the gun violence here has been criminals shooting each other. Of course things could change. Nothing is written in stone. The world is a rapidly changing place and none of us know what 2 or 3 or 5 years will bring, but what we have suits us for the present. |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, Ray Tupper. wrote: I agree, my comment wasn't about him being gay - it was about the media response. If he'd had a wife of 14 years, as opposed to a male life partner, the coverage would have been different. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, balducci wrote: If we posted a list of the world's countries and their murder rates, one might make the observation that the USA's is well below average. And certainly if that were done, many (I have no doubt including you) would point out that it was inappropriate to include a variety of third world countries; instead, we "should" be compared to "western democracies." Comparing us to Swaziland or the Dominican Republic, many will say, is "apples to oranges." Yet there are very significant differences between, say, the USA and Australia that make such a comparison "apples to oranges" as well, or at least apples to tangerines. Why are not so quick to point that out? Why am I the only person here who has made the rather obvious observation at here renowned scientists who are theists? If I had a dollar for all of the poor arguments that don't get called out here (or IRL) because the reader approves of their conclusions, I'd be quite wealthy. We all pick our spots.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1492 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, Destiny wrote: I don't know why that is odd at all. If he was a carpenter I wouldn't see the need to bring that up at all. If he collected trains, I wouldn't see the need to bring that up. The women who dies was (I assume) hetro, they didn't bring that up. There are many of varied first and third worlds that believe "they" are an abomination and should die.............was that you point to make????????? Humans died because someone thought their view was better than someone elses. Quote:
On Dec 16, 2014, landmark wrote: No, not new, just surprise that hypocrisy is in full swing and that there are so so many scared people. it’s like being under papal rule............. Those inside have told that Tori (remember him? posts above needed to point out he is gay, “homosexual” also and had a 14 year relationship) Tori fought the gun man for his weapon and was severly beaten, within a half hour, Tori tried again. His efforts allowed some to escape. I wouldn’t go on about some gays are strong and they can defend themselves. Some hetro man are pathetic and need to beat their wives because they cannot control themselves. As to gun control, over 1000000 Americans have died in the last 40 years by gun (on home turf) I rarely hear in the news about the person that shots the bad guy with his own gun that he bought just to defend himself, it's a bit of a joke to anyone outside of the country. It's like living in a country with landmines, any minute and then boom. even got to be careful changing a nappy. http://kickerdaily.com/mother-shot-dead-......-diaper/
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, Ian McColl wrote: The underreporting of defensive gun uses is indeed unfortunate.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Like Wilson?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Does this make it better that the customers were safer because they were unarmed? Or worse that they had no chance to defend themsevles from a terrorist?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
August 24, 2013
Anti-Muslim Brotherhood protest in Sydney Martin Place. Same day About 300 people marched through the city waving placards and chanting, "Say it loud. Say it clear. Refugees are welcome here." Hmmm http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/antimuslim-bro......iry.html
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, balducci wrote: Good for you. I will stay where I am in the Unites States of America. All I was saying is that if bad guys want guns, laws don't stop them from getting them. The laws only stop law abiding citizens from owning guns to protect themselves from bad guys with guns.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2014, Destiny wrote: Are your aborigines permitted to own guns?
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