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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
This morning I responded to a posting with an exact quote extraction from that post. I had interruptions and my reply took perhaps 5 minutes to type.
Idid not check the original post again. When this poster replied to my comments he denied ever making that statement and suggested I was referring to another statement all together. Confusion for all readers. I checked his post to make sure I wasn't mistaken and found it to be edited. Several lines were changed and others added. He edited his post during the time I was writing mine. I have chatted with him by PM and have resolved the confusion. It appears that a poster can edit their post any time before a response has been posted. Now you have the "Preview New Topic" option. So, I suggest that there be a time limit on the ability to Edit -- perhaps 2 minutes. That will leave time for the poster to catch any silly mistake but could avoid similar problems.
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Dave Scribner Assistant Manager Lake Hopatcong, NJ 4849 Posts |
This is explained in the rules section. Members can edit their own post up to 30 minutes from the post or until someone responds, whicherver comes first.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Yes -- I am suggesting that be changed because it is unnecessary and causes problems.
I know what the Rule is. It is a bad Rule.
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
No. it is a good rule. It saves unnecessary posts.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Except that you now have the Preview Option to double-check before posting,
A couple of minutes is all that is necessary is quick read notices an error to be changed. The long delay can lead to the problem I encounters - and may have been the cause for some of the weird apparently disconnected responses over the years on many threads. If the problem is that posters have "Second thoughts" and wish to change their post, then the delay is simply enabling dithering rather than concise thinking. and I don't see how it saves unnecessary posts. Because of the confusion we had that morning several extra post were required, plus chats on PM, plus these here
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Dave Scribner Assistant Manager Lake Hopatcong, NJ 4849 Posts |
So if I understand you correctly, because you had interuptions in typing and it took you a longer than usual length of time to type, you want us to change the rule? It is a good rule and has worked for years. If we prevented the member from changing his post, he would have reported it after your comment. The moderators would then need to review the topic, edit his post and the delete yours as your reference would be gone
With the rule in place, you would have the same option. After making your post and seeing that the reference was gone, you could edit your own post. As for the preview option, he may have previewed the post and was satisfied but later decided to change it.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
No, your "understanding" is way off, but it doesn't matter because there is no interest in making it better.
I foolishly though people actually used the preview option. Unfortunately, there was no way to edit my post since the "alert" came from a post referencing mine. I understand the complexity here and will have to live with the rule. Now I know that before I post anything, I must check back that the referenced post has not changed. As a point of interest, if the "quote" option is used and the OP changes their post does the Quote automatically change as well? If not, a possible solution is to treat a click on the Quote button the same as a response -- the original post is frozen, or a notice sent to the second party that the Quote has changed.
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Dave Scribner Assistant Manager Lake Hopatcong, NJ 4849 Posts |
Using the preview option is a great tool but the change desired may come later. In your case, you took a long time to respond and there was no way for the original poster to know you were quoting him or even making a a post. This still comes back to the length of time it took you to respond.
If you are using the quote option, and submit your post before the owner of the post makes a change, the same situation applies. A quote acts the same as a post and stops a poster from making a change provided your post is submitted. Again, the preview option is great prior to submitting a post but the decision to change th epost may come later before it is responded to or the 30 minute time restriction is in play. It's not a matter of making it better, but a matter of understanding how the restrictions apply. There is nothing to make better.
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
I appreciate having 30 minutes to edit a post, and I've done it. The only time you don't get the full 30 minutes is when someone else chimes in too quickly (then your post becomes locked earlier than the 30 minutes). Then you simply ask a moderator to help you edit your own post.***
If quoting others who posted directly ahead of you, it's always a good idea to double check that their post hasn't been edited. You would check that right after you submit your post. - Donald P.S. *** One easy way to ask a moderator for help in editing your own post (when it's locked) is to use the "report this post" feature on your own post.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I guess its like buying underwear at a department store as discussed on TV news.
People "change it" and bring it back for refund and it is put it back on the shelf with a new label. So, I gather it is my responsibility to make sure it hasn't been worn yet and the store has not responsibility. Just joking. There are a lot of things I don't like about here the world is going. On fervid the real problem is that the original poster, who knew he had significantly changed his original post, then commented on posts he had to suspect were base don now false information. Not the responsibility of Staff, I know. In 1994 I gave a presentation to a college class on the "Time Warp" problem of Internet Communications. Little has changed. I accept that the Rules here are designed to appease the lack of responsibility of the masses. I don't have to like it. So, while I understand the logic behind the Rule I believe that there may be many more incident of problems than people report or even realize -- assuming that follow up responses are just silly or stupid, as many of them are. Merry Christmas. I'm bust sending people back the cards they sent me last year. Much cheaper. ;-)
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