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What is the single best (i.e most impressive) use of the Si Stebbins Stack you have ever heard of?
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That one where the spectator had not (and could have not) the slightest suspicion that there was a stack involved. And that goes for EVERY trick where you use a stack.
If you want to do "impressive" tricks, don't use Si Stebbins but learn a memorized deck. (which one is of no importance)
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That one where the spectator had not (and could have not) the slightest suspicion that there was a stack involved. And that goes for EVERY trick where you use a stack.
If you want to do "impressive" tricks, don't use Si Stebbins but learn a memorized deck. (which one is of no importance)


For this matter, I prefer to use stack which can be prepared on-the-fly from NDO. In this respect, Si Stebbins works well (by using Darwin Ortiz's secret) and also Mnemonica.
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There are some things you can do with the particular order of cards in si stebbins that you cannot accomplish with a memorized deck. Woody Aragon has some good effects that heavily rely on the nature of that specific stack (see Si Fry from A Book in English as an example).

Based on my enjoyment performing them and the response they elicit from my audiences (and also the fact that they are both essentially self-working), probably my personal all-time favorite effects involving Si Stebbins are Martyn Smith's Up the Ante routine and Ben Earl's Riverboat Routine from his Midnight DVD series. Martyn's is reminiscent of Lennart Green's effect Dragon's Pearl, but is essentially a completely hands off, multi-phased gambling-themed effect that will blow people away. Ben's routine is a gambling demo, starting with naming a peeked card using "poker tells," including a dealing demonstration for blackjack, poker, and bridge, and ending in a full deck to NDO ending.

There are some other great ones out there, but those two come immediately to mind as some of the best tricks that are specifically tied to the Si Stebbins stack.
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For this matter, I prefer to use stack which can be prepared on-the-fly from NDO. In this respect, Si Stebbins works well (by using Darwin Ortiz's secret) and also Mnemonica.


I concur. I've always liked performing Steven Youell's "Adequate Card Shark", which is an abbreviated approach to Darwin Ortiz's "Ultimate Card Shark"...I perform both.

I didn't bother including the other quote because it was biased and off topic.

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What is the single best (i.e most impressive) use of the Si Stebbins Stack you have ever heard of?


One of the best ones that I ever saw was Gene Anderson's routine with the Si Stebbins stack.
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I'll have a look at Youell's version.

Thanks for the pointer.
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Do see, A Tribute to Dunninger, in James Swain's 21st Century Card Magic.

And, Annemann's Miracle, in Swain's Miracles With Cards.
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That one where the spectator had not (and could have not) the slightest suspicion that there was a stack involved. And that goes for EVERY trick where you use a stack.
If you want to do "impressive" tricks, don't use Si Stebbins but learn a memorized deck. (which one is of no importance)

I disagree. See James Swain's books.
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Kaballah beat me to it.
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Thanks all!
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That one where the spectator had not (and could have not) the slightest suspicion that there was a stack involved. And that goes for EVERY trick where you use a stack.
If you want to do "impressive" tricks, don't use Si Stebbins but learn a memorized deck. (which one is of no importance)


There are some effects that rely specifically on the structure of a cyclic tetradistic stack, like SS or 8K, in the method--Max Maven's Mockingbird is the one that comes to mind for me, and I suspect that even it can be modified for use with a non-cyclic random memorized order. However, as a memdeck fanatic I tend to agree with you, but with this specification: if an effect uses SS or 8K or the like simply to discern the identity of a card through noting its neighbour, or the location of the card through some computation, then the short-term pain of memorizing a stack is well worth it.

That said, plenty of fine card magicians forego memorization. I don't think Harry Lorayne ever works with a memorized deck, though he easily could. In Simon Aronson's recent book, he writes of modifying his birthday effects with a computational system in order to accommodate session mate John Bannon, who never memorized a deck.
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Yes, he does. Lorayne I mean. Someone hands him a random shuffled deck. He memorizes it.
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Yes, he does. Lorayne I mean. Someone hands him a random shuffled deck. He memorizes it.


Couldn't do it today, and, I doubt that he ever did.
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Yes, he does. Lorayne I mean. Someone hands him a random shuffled deck. He memorizes it.


Couldn't do it today, and, I doubt that he ever did.


Mr. Lorayne has never been shy about boasting about his skills, and in particular reminding those of us who weren't even born yet that at one time his memory feats were the toast of late night television. If he has memorized a shuffled deck on the fly and has done memdeck miracles in the vein of Aronson, Tamariz, Close, and that ilk, I think he would've talked about it. I don't think he's mentioned it.
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What I've written about a few times is - that many years (read "decades") ago, I'd excuse myself - had to go to the bathroom to wash my hands - and I'd take the borrowed, shuffled, deck with me. And, I'd memorize it as it lie - in the bathroom. Then, I'd re-appear, do some false shuffles, and so a couple of memorized-deck things. Haven't done that in decades - no need to. I can do stronger "un-memorized" deck effects. But, so unimportant. One piece of advise, however - listen to Kabalah - he really KNOWS! (I doubt that he really does.)
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Oh, and lcwright1964 - would you give us all an example where I "boasted about my skills"? Just curious. I've mentioned, for example, that I was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson 24 times - now, I always assumed that was a simple statement of fact. Do you consider that "boasting." I've stated other facts re: my life and my work - but "facts," not boasting. Yes, I'm proud of what I've accomplished, but - as I've asked - please show us all an example where I "boasted". I'd appreciate it, as would all of us. Thanks.
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Oh, and lcwright1964 - would you give us all an example where I "boasted about my skills"? Just curious. I've mentioned, for example, that I was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson 24 times - now, I always assumed that was a simple statement of fact. Do you consider that "boasting." I've stated other facts re: my life and my work - but "facts," not boasting. Yes, I'm proud of what I've accomplished, but - as I've asked - please show us all an example where I "boasted". I'd appreciate it, as would all of us. Thanks.


You just did! Boasting doesn't necessarily mean exaggerating, just openly pointing out one's actual achievements. You are more forthright about what you have achieved and accolades you have received. Others are less inclined to do that, i.e., they do not boast, at least not so much. There are quite a few card men around of your calibre, some of them who share here and some who don't. But in most cases, the main sources of information about their competencies are others, not they themselves. On the other hand, the main reason I know that Harry Lorayne is so impressive is because Harry Lorayne told me so--more than once, too. Nothing wrong with boasting factually, I agree, but I do have to say it is more impressive to hear of someone's excellent reputation from admirer's other than the person involved, no matter how much self-admiration is justified. I think that's what reputations are supposed to be about.
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Yes, he does. Lorayne I mean. Someone hands him a random shuffled deck. He memorizes it.


Couldn't do it today, and, I doubt that he ever did.

I don't lie.
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Oh, and lcwright1964 - would you give us all an example where I "boasted about my skills"? Just curious. I've mentioned, for example, that I was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson 24 times - now, I always assumed that was a simple statement of fact. Do you consider that "boasting." I've stated other facts re: my life and my work - but "facts," not boasting. Yes, I'm proud of what I've accomplished, but - as I've asked - please show us all an example where I "boasted". I'd appreciate it, as would all of us. Thanks.


You just did! Boasting doesn't necessarily mean exaggerating, just openly pointing out one's actual achievements. You are more forthright about what you have achieved and accolades you have received. Others are less inclined to do that, i.e., they do not boast, at least not so much. There are quite a few card men around of your calibre, some of them who share here and some who don't. But in most cases, the main sources of information about their competencies are others, not they themselves. On the other hand, the main reason I know that Harry Lorayne is so impressive is because Harry Lorayne told me so--more than once, too. Nothing wrong with boasting factually, I agree, but I do have to say it is more impressive to hear of someone's excellent reputation from admirer's other than the person involved, no matter how much self-admiration is justified. I think that's what reputations are supposed to be about.

No offense, but if all you know of Lorayne's contributions to magic is what you've heard from him, then you simply havent studied card magic.
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