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WR Special user Utah 945 Posts |
I love doing magic! I have came across many illisions that deal with the use of tarot cards. Many of the people I perform for are not comfortable with the use of these, call it superstition if you will. Is it possible to sub. Regular playing cards in their place?
Most magically yours, WR
"Tell Em WR sent Ya."
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Sam Haine Regular user San Jose, CA 159 Posts |
Greetings,
Based on your character, you could: - use cartoonish tarot cards (there are even hello kitty cards) - use cards with more relaxed imagery (there are a variety of new age decks that are much more sedate) - switch to antiqued decks of normal playing cards, reproductions available from US Games and Thaumysta The choice also depends on the effect. Some routines rely on the Rider-Waite imagery. I know one of my favorite Magus routines does. Sam Haine
Magical entertainment for charities www.sam-haine.com
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Marduke Kurios Veteran user Vancouver, Canada 316 Posts |
Many people do readings using regular playing cards. Get to know the Tarot meanings of a regular deck and you can weave your Tarot tale while using them.
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Darmoe Special user Ohio 741 Posts |
I personally give such IDIOTS a brief education pertaining to the Tarot and the FACT that is is a key part of early Christianity (actually used to help teach many of the Gospel tales along with certain wisdoms and esoteric truths... they weren't always used for divination.)
I've had one or two BAC types "complain" about my doing Readings in a business here and there and, rather than look at how many people enjoy what I do, the management sides with the Born Again jerks squeaky wheel whine... (pardon, but we're talking about bigots who don't have a clue as to what they are "afraid of" that are costing me and others, their livilihood... I think I have a reason to not be kind...) Anywho... if you have the "right" kind of personality you can do as was suggested and use one of the less "real" decks... something that's cute and cuddling.. come to think of it U.S. Games now has a Power Puff Girl, Pokeman, Pacman, Marvel Comic, Barbie and I believe Tiny Toon decks... if you dig a bit I'm sure you can find a Smurf and even the most disgusting deck of them all... the BARNIE TAROT (don't laugh, it was done...) Sorry... all those titles lend good cause to loathe New Age publishing companies... Ick! (fur ball coming up... yuk!) Personally, this type of "complaint" typically encourages me to go into a much deeper, more sinister mode... as it I weren't goth enough already... I'm out of here!
"I firmly believe that of all the Arts and Crafts of Mentalism, there is nothing more satisfying than one who is a first-class Reader. It is the ultimate in Mentalism..." - Tony Corinda * 13 Steps To Mentalism
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mindhunter Inner circle Upstate NY 2280 Posts |
A BARNEY Tarot?!? Can only imagine imagine setting the mood speaking of the other side of the 'realm and then whipping THAT out! LOL!
Bryn D. Reynolds, Author of:
"The Safwan Papers" & "The LOGAR Scrolls" Mentalism ebooks - PM any interest. My artwork: https://darkmountainarts.com |
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
As an alternative, you could give a reading using the Zenner "ESP" cards.
Best regards, Tony Razzano
Best regards,
<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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CENDRE Veteran user FRANCE 334 Posts |
What are the Zenner "ESP" Card ?...
I know ESP cards but not Zenner's ones.
Il était une fois...
CENDRE Paris FRANCE |
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
Cendre,
They are cards with the standard ESP symbols on them. Sometimes called Rhine cards. They were used by Dr. Rhine and Dr. Zenner in experiments at Duke University in the early part of the 20th century. They're probably the same cards you know of. Perhaps someone else more knowledgeable than I can more accurately fill in the history of the Zenner/Rhine cards and their development. Best regfards, Tony Razzano
Best regards,
<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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Darmoe Special user Ohio 741 Posts |
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On 2002-06-19 08:42, CENDRE wrote: What you are thinking of and what Tony is talking about are the same thing... There was (don't know if it's still around) a deck that was nothing but different geometric shapes and colors from which a personality profile can be done... I haven't seen it in years but it is rather cool. Another deck to consider, though very hard to find, is known as the ABUKERA... if yuo've never done a Reading and don't feel confident in doing Cold Reads, etc. this is a most excellent divination tool in that it is nothing but little sayings, riddles, and pros.
"I firmly believe that of all the Arts and Crafts of Mentalism, there is nothing more satisfying than one who is a first-class Reader. It is the ultimate in Mentalism..." - Tony Corinda * 13 Steps To Mentalism
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CENDRE Veteran user FRANCE 334 Posts |
Thank you for the "Zenner" info.
I use en antiqued decks of normal playing cards in a zodiac routine and laymen have never been troubled by that. In fact, they don't even think of a "Card Trick" (because that's a question behind your question WR !) because it doesn't look like a card trick. Simple isn't it ?
Il était une fois...
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
Is it really the cards that elicit the objection? Or do they they just cement the objection to Spirit talk, etc?
I would image that most folks, who have a position on this issue, are not IDOTS, nor necessarily misformed about history. But rather they are concened about issues that clearly are not Biblically acceptable. If what you are doing is divinition, fortune telling, and Spirit talk, then it wont matter what kind of cards you use. It wont be acceptable to most Biblical Christians. On the other hand, if you are doing something else, what is the point of Tarot Cards at all? What do you think is their objection? BroDavid
If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
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If what you are doing is divinition, fortune telling, and Spirit talk, then it wont matter what kind of cards you use. It wont be acceptable to most Biblical Christians. Most true. You can even point them to the section in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians that talks about 'spiritual gifts' and still it won't do any good. You can show how the Old Testament permits divination by lots (Urim and Thummim), dream interpretation, and prophecy, and they won't believe you. Sigh...
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Philomen-
You're quite right. I can't understand how those who call themselves "Biblical Christians" can simply ignore 1 Corinthians 12. In paragraph 10 of the King James version it explicitly refers to healing, working miracles, prophecy and the "discerning of spirits" as being manifestations of the Spirit "given to every man to profit withal." Best- Bob |
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Sam Haine Regular user San Jose, CA 159 Posts |
Greetings,
Well quoted, but if you want to use that passage as justification, be aware you are claiming a holy gift in their faith. Lowers you to that infamous "Jim Baker" level. The original post asked about illusions done with Tarot. This was a question about alternate mediums for magic tricks - deceptions. Shouldn't be a big deal to switch materials if your audience is offended by one and you are not tied to it artistically. For readings, I certainly agree with Philemon, et al. Why bother? Sam Haine
Magical entertainment for charities www.sam-haine.com
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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You guys are using trickery? I agree with you Sam, the discussion just reminded me of a time many years ago when a so-called "Christian"group gathered in the parking lot of a club I was working and passed out "literature" stating that I was an agent of Satan, or something equally stupid. |
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
Bob,
Several years ago, I was booked by a local Catholic Seniors group. A Catholic Church group in a nearby town threatened to picket my performance. So I did the only reasonable thing. I called the papers and local radio and NY tv stations and told them about the picketing of my show. The publicity would have been great but it never got that far. The booker ( a really sweet woman of advancing years) started having her home vandalized and then got a couple of death threats. So in deference to her, I cnacelled the show. The police were notified and people were arrested and convicted...all from the other local Catholic Church. What was ironic was that the pastor of the booking church had no problem with me, my show, its premise or the proposed pickets. I still run into this on occasion, but with some good advice from a mutual friend of ours in Knoxville, it is handled much better now. But it goes to show the danger of fanaticism in any religion, and points out the fact that we need to be ready to handle it when it happens. Best regards, Tony Razzano
Best regards,
<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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Bill Palmatary New user Burbank (LA), Ca, USA 47 Posts |
tony:
i was curious as to what the premise of your show is that garnered such a response. does your show purport to be not entertainemnt, but real powers (which in there eyes, if you aint jesus, you got your powers from the wrong guy) and thats what got them upset? p.s. your nickname of trinity reminded me of a very hot girl in the matrix... and then to see your name is tony razzano.... my image was sha ttered and replaced by tony soprano ... thats not nice of you! |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
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On 2002-06-21 13:58, Bill Palmatary wrote: My powers came from Buddha, who taught me that all of life is an illusion. :evilgrin: Would you like the red pill or the blue?
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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WR Special user Utah 945 Posts |
"all that we see,
Or seem, Is but a dream, With-in a dream.." E.A.Poe
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
Bill,
Sopranp...Razzano....I keep 'em guessing (hehehe) and remember...I'm from New Jersey! Trinity comes from a group of 3 performers. Besides myself, there is EvilDan and Daemon George. Together we perform the Cross Creek Graveyard Seance. Its been featured on the Discovery and Learning channels here in the US and In Canada. We started out doing a voodoo seance, but the current one is much more popular. My performing name is Anthony Rose. "Trinity" as a name attratcts attention and that is what we are after. Now about your question as to my premise. It has nothing to do with my point. Whether I do traditional magic, kiddie magic, mentalism or bizarre, these things happen. When I was a demonstrator in a local magic shop, the property manager came to the owner with a complaint from a woman that I was pracaticing Satanism and we should be closed down. The effect that promoted this complaint was the old "Mental Photography deck" Compeltely innocuous, but that was the reaction. I was doing a kiddie show one time and when the hippity hop rabbits changed color, one parent quietly took her child home as she didn't want the kid being exposed to works of the devil. When I had my own magic shop, we got several death threats over the course of about 4 days. As it turned out it was a group of local Satinists who were bothered because we were mimicking Satan. Remember also that in my post about this incident, ti was a traditional Roman Catholic Church that booked me. They found NO offense to me or my premise and their pastor backed me up. It was a fanatic fringe group that did the damage from another Roman Catholic church. And that's the point, Bill. We in any type of magic need to be ready to handle the lunatic fringe. Wew will run into it, regardless of the type of magic we do or the premise we present. Religious fanatics aren't limited to Al Q'uida. They are right her in our own back yards and in some ways, just as dangeous. And if that offends anyone...well, as Rhett said to Scarlett... Best regards, Tony Razzano Ps I have a friend Vinny, also from NJ ... and Sal, etc.
Best regards,
<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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