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J-L Sparrow Regular user 167 Posts 
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A few days ago I got to read Simon Aronson's book Try the Impossible for the first time. Since I had heard a lot of good things about his UnDo Influence control, I eagerly read and practiced the first trick, Prior Commitment. Even though I haven't performed it yet, it does seem impressive.
Skimming through some of the other tricks that employ the UnDo Influence control, I thought I noticed that many of them, like Prior Commitment, locate (or work with) two spectators' cards, instead of just one. So I would think (perhaps wrongly) that if I wanted to use tricks that take advantage of Simon's UnDo Influence control, I'd have to necessarily perform for (at least) two spectators. So my questions are: Do all tricks in Try the Impossible that use the UnDo Influence control require two (or more) selected cards? Or are there some that use just one selected card? (I've looked ahead in the book trying to find the answers myself by skimming through the other tricks, but there's so much to take in that I'd rather encounter the tricks at my own pace.) Many thanks! |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
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The by far strongest application is "Twice as Hard" which I perform often and regularly. Of course you could use the principle also with one card only. Think in the direction to make a spectator cut the deck twice forming three piles. Offer him then to choose one of the cut off piles to select a card (bottom card of one of the two piles); from there on you continue as you know where his card will end up or where you will position it. Jan
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts
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You know it's a sound principle when everybody has their own personal favorite things to perform--mine is 'Divide and Conquer', which is also in Try the Impossible.
Personally, I wouldn't use it for a single card because there are already so many more direct methods in the literature to accomplish the same thing. The real strength of this procedure is that it positions two cards into known spots while looking very hands off.
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alicauchy Veteran user Málaga, Spain 310 Posts
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On Jan 13, 2015, J-L Sparrow wrote: It IS impressive!! After the revelation of the chosen cards, I get applause (or the like); after showing the backs of the jokers . . . total silence, and finally the questions and comments "how was that possible? I really cut on ANY place ... "
So much to do, so little time . . .
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts
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Prior Commitment and Twice as Hard my two favorite applications from Simon. There's actually an interesting application of the face up undo principle used in a Darwin Ortiz effect called Hard Target in his most recent book. As far as I know, all the routines require the cards to be cut at least twice, so I don't think there is a version I recall with just one selection.
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
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On Jan 13, 2015, sgtgrey wrote: Thanks for the hint, I will look it up  Jan
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Greg Chapman has a great use for the UnDo Influence principle in his book, quite unlike any of the Aronson effects.
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lcwright1964 Special user Toronto 569 Posts
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I had someone describe to me a version of the 1441 variant of Prior Commitment for one spectator where you have one spectator make two cuts, and have a free choice of one of the two selections. When the reversed indicator cards are revealed in the spread, and the facedown UnDo is done, you count to either 14 or 41 according to whether the spectator selected the first or second card cut to.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts
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On Jan 13, 2015, landmark wrote: Your blog post sold me on the book which I haven't picked up yet. It's on my wish list.
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts
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On Jan 14, 2015, lcwright1964 wrote: That's cool. Just have a 1 on one of the cards and a 4 on the other. Smart. Best version I've seen for the single/ double was tying it in to Marlo's miracle aces. Presentation wise though I have to say Chris Mayhew nailed it. Best, Jed |
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lcwright1964 Special user Toronto 569 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2015, JBSmith1978 wrote: I know Chris personally and should ask him about this. Thanks! |
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lcwright1964 Special user Toronto 569 Posts
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I also wanted to put in a plug for learning the Reverse Mode procedure for certain applications. You can set up for placements that result in less counting. For example, a favourite indicator placement of mine puts the selections at 10 and 36 after the Reverse Mode selection and UnDo procedures are carried out. This is or something in the ballpark is what I use for my version of Two by Two from Art Decko. (I don't use the gimmicked number deck, but get the desired numbers to the spectators by alternate means.) I do think that anyone who really loves this principle would do well to read the Theory discussion in TTI with a deck cards in hand. I found that pre-stacking the deck in A-K order for all four suits and seeing what happens for various UnDo combos really enlightening.
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts
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@Landmark - funny, I just read Devil's Staircase, and the effect you named is very, very similar to Hard Target - in fact Greg mentions they were developed independently. If you happen to know both I'd be curious to hear which version you prefer.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Sgt, I don't know the Ortiz effect, so I can't really say. From Greg's description in his book, it sounds like his might be a little more visual, and the revelation a bit more impactful. But I don't know. What do you think? The combination of combining the two principles involved is brilliant, and it's not surprising that such clever cardmen such as Ortiz and Chapman would both come up with this methodology.
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts
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Landmark - I've PM'd you about it to discuss so we don't hijack the thread.
The short answer is I prefer Ortiz's, but it comes more down to personal preference than anything else - they are both fantastic tricks, and very similar in many aspects. |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
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Both are very good, I have no preferences. But please do not forget that the idea to move cards to sandwich (a) selection(s) is not new at all if you study Elmsley's work about Faro Shufflings. Here you find (just) the addition of Simon's Undo Influence principle. Jan
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I wonder what Elmsley would have done with the UnDo principle!
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts
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I agree Jan - I've read through a lot of those variations. The small change of combining these two great principles, however, I think has brought a good trick into the realm of being a great trick.
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Phil J. Elite user 467 Posts
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On Jan 13, 2015, J-L Sparrow wrote: It's a brilliant trick. Graham Jolley used it to fool Penn & Teller on P&T, Fool Us.
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Frank Yuen Elite user 457 Posts
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On Jan 19, 2015, landmark wrote: Aronson credits Alex Elmsley's "No-Calc" published in 1998 in John Derris' Come a Little Closer as his initial inspiration. |
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