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See Ed Marlo's Camouflage Control and Cam-Incidence in The Unexpected Card Book, pp. 144-148.

Never understood why Aronson didn't cite this.

Also see Richard Goldshot's RG Location and No Looking Goody Goody in Lorayne's Apocalypse ~ Vol. 7 No.9 September 1984. Also in the red bound volume, pp. 987-988.
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On Jan 13, 2015, J-L Sparrow wrote:
A few days ago I got to read Simon Aronson's book Try the Impossible for the first time. Since I had heard a lot of good things about his UnDo Influence control, I eagerly read and practiced the first trick, Prior Commitment. Even though I haven't performed it yet, it does seem impressive.

It's a brilliant trick. Graham Jolley used it to fool Penn & Teller on P&T, Fool Us.



PhilJ. (or others),

WOW! I never would have guessed that P&T would not have been able to guess (or already know) at least the general methodology of the Undo Influence effect. Do you know what Fool Us episode that was? I'd love to see Prior Commitment being performed at that level.

Thanks for the info.

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On Jan 26, 2015, Turk wrote: Do you know what Fool Us episode that was? I'd love to see Prior Commitment being performed at that level.

Thanks for the info.

Mike

Here you go. He performs his billiard ball prediction first then the Undo Influence which starts around 4:10....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_U9afkYp_4
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On Jan 26, 2015, Turk wrote: Do you know what Fool Us episode that was? I'd love to see Prior Commitment being performed at that level.

Thanks for the info.

Mike

Here you go. He performs his billiard ball prediction first then the Undo Influence which starts around 4:10....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_U9afkYp_4


Video is blocked in the US.
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In which case try searching youtube from your end. It's Graham Jolley on Penn & Teller Fool Us.

It was episode 1. Broadcast first on TV Channel ITV on 18 June 2011 @ 8 pm.
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Alternatively use a web proxy to bypass the blockage.
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Some may be interested in a series of effects Peter Duffie, J.K. Hartman and I developed using the "Undo Principle." These are in Peter's and my book "Diamonds From Coal" in the "Re-Calculated Cut" chapter. "Undo Cull-Pability-2" is a trick I use often. All these tricks are impromptu, with any full deck (though one of Jerry's uses two decks).
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Some may be interested in a series of effects Peter Duffie, J.K. Hartman and I developed using the "Undo Principle." These are in Peter's and my book "Diamonds From Coal" in the "Re-Calculated Cut" chapter. "Undo Cull-Pability-2" is a trick I use often. All these tricks are impromptu, with any full deck (though one of Jerry's uses two decks).


Had this off the shelf while researching something else.

In addition to the good crediting, there are some excellent effects here!
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Hi,

I've been doing quite a bit with this principle recently. I've also been learning how program Android apps so I've made a Undo Influence Calculator. You can specify the deck size, if the marker/indicator cards are removed or not, reverse mode and calculate marker positions from the final positions you want the cards to end up at or the other way round. It’s not teaching you how to do the principle you’ll need to have the book to understand what the app is doing.

Screenshot here:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736......8990.jpg

This is only my second app so it is very much an early Beta. It was written for my phone (Samsung Galaxy S5) so might not look right on smaller screens. This is Android only (sorry Apple fan boys).

PM me if you'd like to get access to the Beta install.

Cheers,
Mark
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Screenshot here:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736......8990.jpg


The link isn't working for me, Mark. When I follow the link, it seems to put the "736......8990.jpg" part in literally, dots and all, into the URL. I get an XML-formatted message saying that the specified key ("736......8990.jpg") does not exist.

I'm eager to see the screenshot. Sounds like you did great work!
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Pm'd you.

The screenshot is in here for anyone else.

https://www.pinterest.com/markbeecham/magic/

Mark
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Pm'd you.

The screenshot is in here for anyone else.


Excellent! Thanks!
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To the OP:
Check out Patrick Redford's new book.
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To the OP:
Check out Patrick Redford's new book.


Thanks for the tip. But which book are you talking about? I googled Patrick Redford, and several books turned up. I'm not sure which one you're referring to.
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Patrick Redford's new book is Applesauce.
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Here’s a couple videos from Patrick's book

Horsefeathers (pg 29): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUA6-6_W4yA&feature=youtu.be

Applesauce - Any Thought of Card at Any Thought of Number (pg 17): http://youtu.be/QWgyh1Na5iA

Same general ideas at work as UI but more of another related principle taken to a higher, and more convincing, level.

Mark
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My Appstore item Twice As Hard Trainer serves as a virtual spectator who whispers you the two positions to act on, either visually or acoustically. Its interactive Challenge Analyzer serves to x-ray the deck as you apply the Twice As Hard procedure, 8 steps in total. You can define your own problem statement, thus analyzing any combination of L and H and the cut positions. Original, Fixed Middle, and Reverse Modes are supported.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/twice-as......904?mt=8
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Doing Twice-as-Hard in Reversed Mode has the advantage that the offered ranges can be much more natural.
You can offer e.g. between 1-10 and 30-40, and then even in the worst cases there is ample freedom.
Hence no threshold or fixed middle calcs are required.

Reversed Mode can therefore get rid of all the complicated mental calculations.

The disadvantage is that the handling is a bit different.
(You could do this with not-reversed mode but asking for a number between twelve and twenty-two is a bit less natural than asking for a number between one and ten.)
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