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ProfessorJinksy New user Italy 93 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, David Numen wrote: I agree with what you've written here. But I find the idea of a video which tells children that they can bend spoons by relaxing, believing, and being positive -- and behind all of this, the message to buy Kellogg's -- to be, somehow, extremely hard to stomach, bordering on predatory and false advertising. |
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
The real secret of Uri's success, I think, is the sheer joy, energy, surprise and sense of genuine wonder that he injects into his presentations. He focuses on selling the effect, not aggrandising himself (though that may be the unspoken subtext). He isn't saying "Look at what an amazing guy I am - I have such special powers". Rather he is saying "Look at what amazing things are possible if only we truly believe ". That is a powerful (though misleading) message that strongly resonates with people.
Doug Henning also had this skill, and appealed to audiences for the same reason. Mike |
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ProfessorJinksy New user Italy 93 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, David Numen wrote: I don't mean to argue, but I did think that the thumbprint thing was pretty lame. That is not high caliber magic, nor mentalism, nor psychic demonstration, but rather, the type of poor trick that a child might try to pull off in their first magic show made even worse by the TV edit mentality. I am disappointed with all involved in this production. |
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Scott Soloff Special user Philadelphia, PA 960 Posts |
Kreskin also.
Best, Scott
'Curiouser and curiouser."
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
I don't know if he's still running around suing people who express an opinion on his claims to paranormal powers, but that's the other side to his childlike joy.
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David Numen Inner circle 2070 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, ProfessorJinksy wrote: That's a matter of taste regarding the thumbprint. He's a personality booked to do what he's famous for. And that's what he did. |
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Scott Soloff Special user Philadelphia, PA 960 Posts |
Love him or hate him, it's difficult to argue with his level of success.
Best, Scott
'Curiouser and curiouser."
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
One could say the same of Joseph Stalin. I'm obviously not equating the two on the merits -- Stalin was incomparably worse, obviously. But I think the example of Stalin suffices to show that the mere fact of great success doesn't insulate you from substantive criticism. I just think his success is completely irrelevant, or if anything makes it worse if he's doing bad things.
Sorry for the rant -- I know that Uri is popular around here. I'll shut up. CT Quote:
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, David Numen wrote: I think that number would be more like 100%, near as I can tell. So: Kids try it, fail, tell their friends, try it, fail, and are fascinated by any guy that can do it. Preconditioned to be amazed. And they keep eating sugared up dried toxic sludge for breakfast, like they always do. And Uri gets a check to pay the mortgage. He's maintained his celebrityhood for 45 years...not bad for 3 tricks and enthusiasm. No harm, no foul.
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aalexander Loyal user 232 Posts |
The real question is, of course:
Chair of Spoons - custom built for Uri before or after Game of Thrones? |
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Scott Soloff Special user Philadelphia, PA 960 Posts |
CThomas,
Apples and oranges, my friend. In no way shape or form does show business success equate with mass murder. Just saying... Best wishes, Scott
'Curiouser and curiouser."
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Uri broke some big ground. For that I'm quite thankful.
Israeli mentalists have a long tradition of confidence and swagger - lior m should be chiming in here at any minute. Doesn't bother me a bit. Nature of beast. For this Kellogg's campaign someone sold the company on the merits although to me it seems like a false bar to promise. Quote:
On Jan 15, 2015, Scott Soloff wrote: Have to agree with you Scott. Not cool to compare to A mass killer. Uri has done much good regardless of whether you buy his schtick.
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Scott Soloff Special user Philadelphia, PA 960 Posts |
Unless the Kellogg campaign produces a generation of X-Men, it is not a good idea to convince a generation of immature brains that metal bending is real.
Best to all, Scott
'Curiouser and curiouser."
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, Scott Soloff wrote: You might as well apply this argument against all mentalists. Mike |
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Scott Soloff Special user Philadelphia, PA 960 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, Michael Daniels wrote: Mike, You very well may be correct. To me, as in all things, it is a matter of degree. Best, Scott
'Curiouser and curiouser."
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
I said I'd shut up, but I can't avoid answering this point. If I had been comparing the two in terms of the morality of their conduct, then you would have a point. But my argument had nothing to do with their conduct being comparable in any way -- to the contrary, I made a point of disclaiming that. My point was an analytical one regarding the relevance of a person's success to the sorts of moral questions we've been discussing here. So I don't think it was inappropriate at all. If you don't like Stalin, you can pick any alternative you want. There are lots of reprehensible people who have become successful in their fields, often due precisely to their reprehensible conduct. Nobody would or should say of these people, "Hey, you can't argue with their success."
All right I'm really finished now. (I think . . . .) Best regards to everyone and happy new year. Quote:
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Scott Soloff Special user Philadelphia, PA 960 Posts |
I see your point, I think. Still, apples and oranges (Uri's conduct is in no way reprehensible. It's only show business and entertainment. No one gets hurt.)
Once again, just saying... Best, Scott
'Curiouser and curiouser."
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
Uri is Uri. Inspiring man that knows how to still share his work and thinking in the real world.
Alexander, I think that he could even inspire the GOT chair Best
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Keith Raygor Special user Naples, FL 968 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, saysold1 wrote: Would you apply that sentiment to all magic presented on TV or the internet? Or is it the tie-in with a product that sets the difference for you? |
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Keith Raygor Special user Naples, FL 968 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2015, Michael Daniels wrote: Michael, those elements of Henning's and Geller's presentations are the very things that attracted me (and millions of others) to them in the first place. That is the real secret to magic. |
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