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Whether they were looters or not doesn't depend on whether a jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that they were looters following a fair trial.


The point is that whether they were looters or not does not give anyone the right to kill them indiscriminately.
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Whether they were looters or not doesn't depend on whether a jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that they were looters following a fair trial.


The point is that whether they were looters or not does not give anyone the right to kill them indiscriminately.

One could argue that if he were killing only looters he was, in fact, discriminate.

(But I agree with your point.)
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Firing a high-powered sniper rifle into a crowd pretty well insures that not only looters, but people standing behind them as well will be killed or put in mortal danger.
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Certainly the sight of it would mentally scar an average person forever.
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Whether they were looters or not doesn't depend on whether a jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that they were looters following a fair trial.


The point is that whether they were looters or not does not give anyone the right to kill them indiscriminately.


I don't think anyone is arguing that point.

I'm still comfortable with my position that even if that's what Kyle did, Bundy was worse.
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I agree with you on that, Lobo. There is no comparison.
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Firing a high-powered sniper rifle into a crowd pretty well insures that not only looters, but people standing behind them as well will be killed or put in mortal danger.


Who would be standing behind looters, other than their compatriots?
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The point is that whether they were looters or not does not give anyone the right to kill them indiscriminately.


I don't think anyone is arguing that point.

I'm still comfortable with my position that even if that's what Kyle did, Bundy was worse.

The reason I brought up Bundy is that Bundy claimed to have killed thirty, but probably killed more. Kyle claimed to have killed 32 in civilian life, and definitely killed a lot more, counting his confirmed army killings. So their numbers are comparable. I too think Bundy was worse - but if Kyle did kill 32 (I don't for a moment believe he did) then he is on the Bundy team at least. That was my point.
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I wonder how many of us would have 'looted' had we been in New Orleans (post Katrina), newly homeless, perhaps isolated on an urban island, and having no food or fresh water??? And instead of being rescued, looked up to see some guy shooting at us from a rooftop??? Lynn
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This is also the place where Kyle ran into Ventura. The fact that
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Yes. I think there's a difference between indiscriminate looting and scavenging for essentials in a destroyed neighborhood. Is the guy running out of the food mart with bottles of milk and baby formula someone who deserves to be shot?
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Scavenging for essentials is not looting.
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Scavenging for essentials is not looting.

Can you make the determination about for what they're scavenging from the top of the Superdome?
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Scavenging for essentials is not looting.

Can you make the determination about for what they're scavenging from the top of the Superdome?

You can't. Which is why you don't do it. Or boast about it, unless you are trying to impress right-wing rednecks.
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Scavenging for essentials is not looting.

Can you make the determination about for what they're scavenging from the top of the Superdome?

You can't. Which is why [/b][/i]you[/i][/b] don't do it. Or boast about it, unless you are trying to impress right-wing rednecks.

Exactly.

Which is why I don't do it.

(Well, that and the fact that I'm (likely) a lousy shot.)
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I too think Bundy was worse ...


Aw Tony, Tony, you're going to concede the Bundy point? Now I'm going to have to chime in...

Arguably (and who am I not to?) killing under government auspices and policy is worse than one lone nut.
And movies are not made about the heroism of Ted Bundy, thus inspiring other would-be Bundys.
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Scavenging for essentials is not looting.

Can you make the determination about for what they're scavenging from the top of the Superdome?


That was exactly my point. You can't. And neither could Kyle if, in fact, he did what he bragged about doing.

And maybe he did. It wouldn't be the first time that a loud-mouthed braggart was actually telling the truth.

I don't know if many of you outside of Washington are that familiar with the notorious Green River killer who terrorized the Pacific Highway and Green River areas south of Seattle in the late 80's and early 90's.

There was a guy we used to call "Crazy Gary" who hung out at the Midway Tavern, a popular local bar in the area. A lot of my friends as well as Denise still remember about how he'd joke and brag that he was the killer that the police couldn't find. Everyone figured he was just nuts and would laugh at him.

Until Gary Ridgeway was finally captured, no one realized he was really telling the truth! He WAS the Green River Killer. Many of them still get the chills when they recall that they actually knew the guy and that he wasn't kidding.
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Scavenging for essentials is not looting.

Can you make the determination about for what they're scavenging from the top of the Superdome?

That was exactly my point. You can't.

Hence, the rhetorical question.
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I mean, even if you saw a guy running down the street with a big screen TV, how could you be sure that he wasn't rescuing one of his own possessions?

I like to answer rhetorical questions!

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I mean, even if you saw a guy running down the street with a big screen TV, how could you be sure that he wasn't rescuing one of his own possessions?

I like to answer rhetorical questions!

"What is rhetoric?"

"Is that a rhetorical question?" Smile

If I weren't clear, I apologize. Mea culpa.

Let's try this: I agree with you. In spades.
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