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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: The Irish troops in Syria were part of an international (UN) peace-keeping effort. Not Irish foreign policy. They were not fighting under an Irish flag, but a UN flag, and they were not imposing any culture on any other culture.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, Kabbalah wrote: That was a shameful period in our history. We were newly independent, and there were strong political reasons why we did not join in the war. We were wrong. That said, many Irish men did sign up with the British army to fight the evils of Nazism.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote: 1) Choosing to participate in armed conflict as part of a U.N. peacekeeping mission is itself a foreign policy decision. 2) Notwithstanding that, your suggestion that the "civilized" nature of the Irish will keep him off the battlefield is clearly incorrect.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote: Geez, Tony, what are ha, new around here? You're taking all the fun out of this! At any rate, kudos to you.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
Kyle was a great sniper. That's all he set out to be. Any value judgments about the goals of his deployment should be directed to his commanding officers and civilian leadership.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
No.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Who should questions regarding his story of shooting "looters" from the roof of the Super Dome be directed to?
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2015, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: Ted Bundy set out to be a great serial killer. Are there no value judgements to be made? Kyle boasted of shooting looters, of killing car-jackers, of punching out politicians (a lie he was caught out on). Either he was a habitual liar or a monster. Value judgements can and will be made.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
My value judgment is that killing innocent people (a la Bundy) is "worse" than killing looters and carjackers.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
He may well have been a liar. It doesn't appear that he actually shot looters from the roof of the superdome or killed car-jackers. If he did lie about those things, it could well have been caused by issues he had from his multiple tours. I really don't know. However, there's not a lot of dispute about what he accomplished while at war. What he might have lied about afterwards doesn't diminish what he did as a serviceman and doesn't stop him from being an American hero. (For me, at least.)
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Jan 30, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: My value judgement is that a life is a life. And looters are quite low on the scale of criminality.
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
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On Jan 30, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote: Umm, no, they are not.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I'd put 'em toward the middle, off the top of my head. And don't forget the carjackers.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Jan 30, 2015, Kabbalah wrote: Yes they are. Oops. Sorry, wrong thread. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Not looters, alleged looters. Even less defensible.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
If we take his word that he shot them, we may as well take his word that they were looting.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Absolutely. Whatever happened to little things like the right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence? At the very least there are major civil rights violations here. (If the event ever happened, which appears to be doubtful since Kyle apparently wasn't above playing fast and loose with the truth, as determined by a jury in the Ventura case.)
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Whether they were looters or not doesn't depend on whether a jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that they were looters following a fair trial.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Tony you have forced your culture on the world and I will forever thank you for Guinness.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
As for shooting looters and carjacking dudes I would not do it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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