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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: That's the great thing about Science, it's not final. Do I believe in Science? I'm thankful Science doesn't require or solicit my belief. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
I believe in science I just don’t trust all those that start every sentence with ‘science has proven’
Fact is, science has proven that you can prove nearly any statement by beginning it with science has proven. Tom
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
As Bob stated at the start, I too believe in the scientific method. It is a method of investigation that has gotten us closer and closer to the truth about how the universe works, and produced tremendous benefits for mankind. In four centuries it has done more for us than all the thousands of years of thought before the scientific method.
As for science itself, most times it is right, sometimes it is wrong. It is a constantly evolving thing. But when it is wrong, that eventually becomes clear, and is rectified. It is the self-correcting nature of scientific enquiry that makes it so powerful.
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1493 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: Where has science every said 'science has proven’ ? It usually journalist who make wild claims. At least science is open minded, evolving and changes with the times.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Science is very powerful...people can make fun of silly, stupid superstitious people who believe in things like Psychic phenomena, then if those phenomena ever become proven, those people can blithely jump on the bandwagon and incorporate those exact same beliefs but sacrifice none of their smugness and still feel far superior about doing so, because after all, it's science now!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1493 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Wouldn't it be a better start position to say "I don't know" and let science try to find out the answer. Your method suggests, "Here is a far fetched idea, lets believe it until it's disproven or confirmed." Science looks for answers. Other beliefs say, "we all ready know, so don't look , examine or question."
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
What's my method?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1493 Posts |
Did I read it wrong?
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote: I've been patiently sitting here waiting... For Gödel! |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote: Science is great. I revere science. But it is our science. In our universe. It is all we know. It is infinitesimally small and limited. |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2015, magicfish wrote: Brilliant! Thank you. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote: The skeptical problem cuts across this two.Where could we possibly stand to pronounce that science is merely our parochial view on the universe? It's exactly the same problem as trying find a vantage point that lets us declare our science to be universal.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It is a limited tool for understanding all that is.
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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
I'm kind of surprised nobody has taken the following position yet. (Sorry, wish I could have done this sooner, but I don't read the forum that much these days.)
To me, the most accurate characterization of the scientific method has nothing to do with discovering or proving truth -- at least not in its most fundamental sense. Instead, the scientific method is fundamentally about rejecting falsehood. To be sure, this idea isn't mine originally. It goes back to Karl Popper (a philosopher from the early 20th century), but I first was exposed to it from Richard Feynman (a Nobel prize winning physicist and talented writer from the mid-20th century). As a bit of an aside, here's a wonderful video of Feynman discussing the nature of science: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYPapE-3FRw The idea I mentioned above starts at about the 3:55 mark, and goes on for about one minute. Now, back to the context of Stone's original question: do I "believe in" science? That could get parsed out two ways: do I believe in its accuracy or its completeness? I absolutely believe in its accuracy. I believe that a proposition that is inconsistent with empirical data is false. Although arguably this requires some small scintilla of faith in... something... I'm not sure it's very significant. (Indeed, I don't even need to come with a pre-defined notion of false... one can simply take "inconsistent with empirical data" as the definition.) I'm not sure I have a position on its completeness. That is, I don't have a position as to whether all worthwhile statements are NECESSARILY scientific or falsifiable. I mean, I PERSONALLY am uninterested in contemplating unfalsifiable statements. But I don't see how to objectively convince someone else who is inclined to consider such statements that he's making some kind of mistake. (Stone, hopefully that's responsive. I'm a bit bleary-eyed at the moment...) |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The empirical data is sometimes false or rather anything can lied about by man.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2015, MobilityBundle wrote: A useful bifurcation!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Bi is the problem with science because sometimes things are not either one thing or another but both at the same time.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Mobility, Popper's falsification criterion has been shown to be inadequate for a number of reasons. The most important is usually known as the Quine-Duhem thesis. In short, scientific propositions are usually far to robust to be defeated by falsification. This is because science is an enormous web of theory, models, empirical evidence etc. When a crucial experiment fails, it can usually be explained by making little tweaks somewhere in the web, while leaving the original conjecture intact.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
One of which is that it does not suit the warmers.
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2015, Ian McColl wrote: No, actually Ian it's better to form a hypothesis and then use science to prove the hypothesis. That's how science works. One forms an opinion (hypothesis) and then they work towards proving the hypothesis and making it into a theory.
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