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I love science specifically *because* it says "this is the best explanation at this moment, but it is open to being refined, added to, or even replaced. I think that the very last bit is often not overemphasized in general conversation simply because too many laymen use it as an opening to insert their own absurd ideas.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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What is love according to science?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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What is love? Baby, don't hurt me
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Of course there are many important questions that are not amenable to scientific investigation, such as "What is good?", or even "What is science?"



We can also add the question "What is love?"

Mike
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More importantly, "why should I be good?" or "why should I care about science/" or "why should I love?"
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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It's poetry in motion
She turned her tender eyes to me
As deep as any ocean
As sweet as any harmony
Mmm - but she blinded me with science
"She blinded me with science!"
And failed me in biology

When I'm dancing close to her
"Blinding me with science - science!"
I can smell the chemicals
"Blinding me with science - science!"
"Science!"
"Science!"

Mmm - but it's poetry in motion
And when she turned her eyes to me
As deep as any ocean
As sweet as any harmony
Mmm - but she blinded me with science
And failed me in geometry

When she's dancing next to me
"Blinding me with science - science!"
"Science!"
I can hear machinery
"Blinding me with science - science!"
"Science!"

It's poetry in motion
And now she's making love to me
The spheres're in commotion
The elements in harmony
She blinded me with science
"She blinded me with science!"
And hit me with technology

"Good heavens Miss Sakamoto - you're beautiful!"
I -
I don't believe it!
There she goes again!
She's tidied up, and I can't find anything!
All my tubes and wires
And careful notes
And antiquated notions

But! - it's poetry in motion
And when she turned her eyes to me
As deep as any ocean
As sweet as any harmony
Mmm - but she blinded me with science
"She blinded me with - with science!"
She blinded me with -


Ron
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On Jan 29, 2015, RNK wrote:
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On Jan 28, 2015, Ian McColl wrote:
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On Jan 28, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Science is very powerful...people can make fun of silly, stupid superstitious people who believe in things like Psychic phenomena, then if those phenomena ever become proven, those people can blithely jump on the bandwagon and incorporate those exact same beliefs but sacrifice none of their smugness and still feel far superior about doing so, because after all, it's science now!



Wouldn't it be a better start position to say "I don't know" and let science try to find out the answer.
Your method suggests, "Here is a far fetched idea, lets believe it until it's disproven or confirmed."

Science looks for answers. Other beliefs say, "we all ready know, so don't look , examine or question."


No, actually Ian it's better to form a hypothesis and then use science to prove the hypothesis. That's how science works. One forms an opinion (hypothesis) and then they work towards proving the hypothesis and making it into a theory.


So can I assume that you believe in the value of science, and the scientific method?
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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Do you believe in science?

Yes. Smile
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I’ve heard that real scientists never use the words “scientific proof,” because they know no such thing exists.

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I’ve heard that real scientists never use the words “scientific proof,” because they know no such thing exists.

Tom


what are the other type of scientists called?
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On Jan 29, 2015, TomBoleware wrote:
I’ve heard that real scientists never use the words “scientific proof,” because they know no such thing exists.

Tom


That's what you've "heard".

What do YOU KNOW?

It would be nice if just one off your posts weren't something you obviously got second hand, and repeat without thought.
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On Jan 29, 2015, TomBoleware wrote:
I’ve heard that real scientists never use the words “scientific proof,” because they know no such thing exists.

Tom


That's what you've "heard".

What do YOU KNOW?

It would be nice if just one off your posts weren't something you obviously got second hand, and repeat without thought.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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On Jan 29, 2015, RNK wrote:
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On Jan 28, 2015, Ian McColl wrote:
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On Jan 28, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Science is very powerful...people can make fun of silly, stupid superstitious people who believe in things like Psychic phenomena, then if those phenomena ever become proven, those people can blithely jump on the bandwagon and incorporate those exact same beliefs but sacrifice none of their smugness and still feel far superior about doing so, because after all, it's science now!



Wouldn't it be a better start position to say "I don't know" and let science try to find out the answer.
Your method suggests, "Here is a far fetched idea, lets believe it until it's disproven or confirmed."

Science looks for answers. Other beliefs say, "we all ready know, so don't look , examine or question."


No, actually Ian it's better to form a hypothesis and then use science to prove the hypothesis. That's how science works. One forms an opinion (hypothesis) and then they work towards proving the hypothesis and making it into a theory.


So can I assume that you believe in the value of science, and the scientific method?


For the most part, Yes. Being a scientist myself and spending many months in a lab using analytical methods to prove my hypothesis for my thesis work will do that to you. The scientific method used to prove a hypothesis is what may cause some uncertainty and doubt. There is a lot of junk science out there. Though, science is all we have to become closer to the truth for a lot of things.

RNK
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On Jan 29, 2015, TomBoleware wrote:
I’ve heard that real scientists never use the words “scientific proof,” because they know no such thing exists.

Tom


That's what you've "heard".

What do YOU KNOW?

It would be nice if just one off your posts weren't something you obviously got second hand, and repeat without thought.


I only know what I hear. How else would I know? I’m not a scientist. Nor do I claim that science has proven all my 'opinions' like some do.
However I have noticed that you do that a lot.

Makes sense to me that a scientist doesn’t like saying a theory is ‘final’ knowing that things can change.

But hey, maybe I am wrong.

Tom
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I’m not a scientist.

Aha!

And whose fault is that!?
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On Jan 29, 2015, TomBoleware wrote:
I’ve heard that real scientists never use the words “scientific proof,” because they know no such thing exists.

Tom


That's what you've "heard".

What do YOU KNOW?

It would be nice if just one off your posts weren't something you obviously got second hand, and repeat without thought.


This is an example of the type of personal insults that make these debates so distasteful.

Tom. I think that most scientists accept that any "proof" or conclusion is subject to change as new new knowledge is acquired. In fact, if a theory isn't falsifiable, it isn't within the realm of scientific study. For example, "God exists" isn't falsifiable. Nor is "God doesn't exist."

"All crows are black," however, is falsifiable simply with the discovery of one white crow.

That's what I've heard, anyway. Smile

What do I KNOW? In an ultimate sense, nothing at all.

Let's march! "I don't know but I've been told, this here thread is getting old. Sound off, one two. Sound off, three four. One, two, three, four, one, two-----three four!"
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On Jan 30, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
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On Jan 30, 2015, TomBoleware wrote:
I’m not a scientist.

Aha!

And whose fault is that!?


Society's rich people, who didn't pay for him to get a Ph.D.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Anybody who believes in science is obviously not a scientist.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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On Jan 30, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On Jan 30, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
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On Jan 30, 2015, TomBoleware wrote:
I’m not a scientist.

Aha!

And whose fault is that!?


Society's rich people, who didn't pay for him to get a Ph.D.



That’s right. I’m not taking the blame for it.Smile

Tom
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