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As we have also established that when you say Wrong!, you're talking about yourself, not the person you're commenting on.


Yes, I admitted I was wrong. I thought when you quoted a study to back up your statement, you considered it truthful, and you assumed that people who read it would take it as truthful. I was wrong. You have correctly disabused me of that notion. I stand corrected. In the future, I will understand that such statements are not to be taken as actual arguments, but mere comments about the existence of a study, truthful or not. Who knows, perhaps one day you will actually address the issue. Stranger things have happened.


Ah landmark. You know, you're just making yourself look a bit stupid. Nowhere did I say that I didn't find the studies un-truthful. All I was doing was refuting YOUR statement that there were NO studies. If you had simply said, at the beginning, "Yes, there are studies that show conservatives are more generous than liberals but there are also studies that disagree", we wouldn't be having a problem. But what you said, was that my statement that there were studies that showed that was wrong. So, in the future, what you SHOULD do is take my statement about studies to be 1. that they exist and 2. that I agree with them. If you agree that they exist, don't say they don't. If you don't find them to be true, then say so.
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But if you were born in a different country, on a different continent, into a different culture, would "you" still be "you"?
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How about just a different family.

I do believe that a certain amount of "you" is genetic so some part of "you" would still be "you" but because of the influence of culture and environment, that part would probably be unrecognizable.
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But if you were born in a different country, on a different continent, into a different culture, would "you" still be "you"?


Nice metaphysical question. Would you still be "you" if you had not joined the magic café?

Can we make a (crude) thought experiment. Imagine someone genetically identical to me, but with the following environmental difference?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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The way to get socialism, if that is what you want, is to start a major war. That is why the Rockefeller & Co came up with the idea of global warming as an enemy to fit the bill. They love major wars because government takes over pretty well everything, agriculture, farming and the distribution of food and goods.

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They love wars because it makes them profit.
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They,them, why talk in such absolutes?
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<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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Landmark means the socialists obviously. Not that he is one who knows.
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As we have also established that when you say Wrong!, you're talking about yourself, not the person you're commenting on.


Yes, I admitted I was wrong. I thought when you quoted a study to back up your statement, you considered it truthful, and you assumed that people who read it would take it as truthful. I was wrong. You have correctly disabused me of that notion. I stand corrected. In the future, I will understand that such statements are not to be taken as actual arguments, but mere comments about the existence of a study, truthful or not. Who knows, perhaps one day you will actually address the issue. Stranger things have happened.


Ah landmark. You know, you're just making yourself look a bit stupid. Nowhere did I say that I didn't find the studies un-truthful. All I was doing was refuting YOUR statement that there were NO studies. If you had simply said, at the beginning, "Yes, there are studies that show conservatives are more generous than liberals but there are also studies that disagree", we wouldn't be having a problem. But what you said, was that my statement that there were studies that showed that was wrong. So, in the future, what you SHOULD do is take my statement about studies to be 1. that they exist and 2. that I agree with them. If you agree that they exist, don't say they don't. If you don't find them to be true, then say so.

My first post contained a link that made it very clear why I said you were wrong. And you still have not addressed it. But if you want to go Bill Clinton on us, fine. It's kind of boring, though.
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Certainly the elite socialists under the cloak of grants give more but they come with conditions of course. There are no free meals Kay.
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The problem is money.

It isn't, actually.
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No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.


- John Donne


Very nice.

So by using that analogy when a murderer or child molester dies, humanity is the lesser for their death?


Yet, if they're so insignificant, NYC, why are you citing them as an example- don't you see you've just acknowledged your connection to them? The irony is you've used them to try to elevate the rest of humanity. Again, I see the same with those who try to mock EP while using him to proclaim themselves as so much less a joke than he was. We're all connected. I'd like to see humanity trying to heal. Pitching real people out the window when none is made of any better than another is nothing more than hypocrisy attempting to deceive. It's so blatant and routine that many are afraid even to question it or face it directly anymore. But I believe still people see it for what it is whether they dare speak to it or not. We have a choice. And I want to see truth and healing.

Now, I may in fact agree with you that we are not diminished by the death of another, but perhaps we have let opportunity pass. We continue learning, though. Peace.
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Do we owe humanity, the global society, something since we take part of it? I
MO, yes by initiating no violence


Based on your following comments, it's clear you lack an understanding of just what "iniatiating no violence" means.

rockwall, you know me better than that, come on. Three guesses or do a search. Smile
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See, now I feel dumb. I'm sure it's something obvious that I should know. You say 'he' so it's obviously someone's initials but I can't connect it. Googleing on two letters isn't generally very productive. All I get is Edgar Allen Poe. Go ahead, tell me who it is and I'll skulk away embarrassed.
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Search magicalaurie here at the café. I think that'll help. Smile If not, I'll give the answer if someone else doesn't sing it's tune. Smile
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(Search magiclaurie here at the Café) I did (I think that'll help) and it didn't .
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(Search magiclaurie here at the Café) I did (I think that'll help) and it didn't .


You've misquoted me, indeed. It's magicalaurie. Smile

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Evander Polyfield. Buy he initiated violence.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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