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Who is asking for your thanks? You don't pay squat to American Soldiers. Historically, they've kicked your *** twice and saved it twice. We're even, so you should direct your animosity elsewhere. Smile
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Animosity? I am just trying get you some more money. Look it wouldn't be so bad if you soldiers knew what you were fighting for. You are simple minded folk, who are given very simple propaganda, which they swallow hook line and sinker and spout for why they are there. If had had any brains they would demand a cut of the spoils, like the old soldiers used to do. If had any common sense you would tell you’re so called leaders that never lead that money talks and BS walks. What soldiers need is somebody with a brain to represent them and to ask how much they are going to get out of it. Why should you not get a share of them oil contracts that they gave away to the big oil boys? You can still fight for cause if like but why not ask for a share of spoils also?
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Somehow, I don't think Tommy is serious.

If he is, screw'im.
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I think soldiers ought to get a cut of the spoils war seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jruQfJkDLRg
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Though this may surprise some of you, I believe combat troops should retire on a very generous pension. If anyone has earned it, they have. While I might not agree with every fight they are involved with, they do put their lives on the line and should be compensated accordingly. I think the US pension is far too small for them.

The same goes for fire-fighters and cops.
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Perfect answer.

Agreed. As it is for teachers, cops, factory workers, and all the rest.


How can you consider that a perfect answer in light of your past statements that some people are underpaid? Unless I'm misreading Scott's answer, he's basically saying that nobody is overpaid or underpaid.

In the new Light 'n' Lively go-go go to hell society, I've lowered my expectations. Just getting the B*stids to honor their contracts would be a major miracle, in my eyes.

But you see, they can't even do that. It's their nature. Even if they're ahead fifty points, they still have to cheat and lie. It's a compulsive thing.
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I think soldiers ought to get a cut of the spoils war seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jruQfJkDLRg


Tommy , is that link serious or part of a comedy show? Couldn't work it out.
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Ian have you seriously never heard of Major General Smedley Butler? Google is your friend.
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The elite for whom the wars are fought couldn't care less about the soldiers. They care about their profit. Soldiers are expendable cannon fodder. As are teachers, cops, factory workers, old people, and white and blue collar workers. The only ones who do not have to worry about their pensions and golden parachutes are the super-rich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt8_0MHo7-0

Perhaps, one day, soldiers will understand that that is the system they are giving their lives to defend.


Agree completely.

But why stop at the soldiers understanding? What about the rest of the cannon fodder who pay taxes so the war machine can continue, and those profits can be made?

Why does the cannon fodder stand by while the lives and money are wasted?

Speaking as an American, I think if you asked the cannon fodder what they wanted the money spent on I doubt the answer would be more weapons and more war. Billions wasted on things that are essentially none of our dammn business.

Have we really reached the point where the desires of the people don't matter, not even slighty?

With such an obvious need for the money and resources here at home, and the excuses for the waste ever more ridiculous, I find myself asking more and more....why?
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Well It is only matter of opinion: While some may think that killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi children, women and men and the killing and maiming of thousands of our soldiers, as we tax payers pay billions for it it is just silly as the Iraqi elections are rigged and totally irrelevant, others may think it is the path to a beautiful democracy in Iraq.
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Well It is only matter of opinion: While some may think that killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi children, women and men and the killing and maiming of thousands of our soldiers, as we tax payers pay billions for it it is just silly as the Iraqi elections are rigged and totally irrelevant, others may think it is the path to a beautiful democracy in Iraq.
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You serve twenty years in military service to the United States and come back and let us know.


Brilliant!

These folks sign up for 20 years of servitude, perhaps death or even crippling, all the while their high school buddies are making big money under the protection of our military. All for what amounts to a stipend and the need for a second career. I am not for frittering my money away on fed programs, but if the money was GUARANTEED to go to our vets, I would be happy to pay...
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Perfect answer.

Agreed. As it is for teachers, cops, factory workers, and all the rest.


What group of teachers and cops do you know have kept their same retirement benefits for the last 20 years. Did you forget about unions and strikes? Teachers get a new contract about every two or three years and their benefits increase...so don't tell me they get what they sighed up for. Comparing soldiers to police and teachers is much worse than the apples and oranges analogy. Try apples and roller skates.
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Ian have you seriously never heard of Major General Smedley Butler? Google is your friend.


Same could be said for you and Bruce Jenner. You know glass houses, rocks, and all. Smile
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Perfect answer.

Agreed. As it is for teachers, cops, factory workers, and all the rest.


What group of teachers and cops do you know have kept their same retirement benefits for the last 20 years. Did you forget about unions and strikes? Teachers get a new contract about every two or three years and their benefits increase...so don't tell me they get what they sighed up for. Comparing soldiers to police and teachers is much worse than the apples and oranges analogy. Try apples and roller skates.


Um. Are you saying that soldiers never get pay raises? And their benefits never increase? Seriously?
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Talk about apples and roller skates. Smile
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On Feb 8, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Perfect answer.

Agreed. As it is for teachers, cops, factory workers, and all the rest.


What group of teachers and cops do you know have kept their same retirement benefits for the last 20 years. Did you forget about unions and strikes? Teachers get a new contract about every two or three years and their benefits increase...so don't tell me they get what they sighed up for. Comparing soldiers to police and teachers is much worse than the apples and oranges analogy. Try apples and roller skates.


Um. Are you saying that soldiers never get pay raises? And their benefits never increase? Seriously?


Ha, ha. Are you saying soldiers negotiate their contracts? SERIOUSLY. Smile


Also just for the record. I am quite sure I am older than you and I do not ever remember American soldiers going on strike for more pay or other benefits.
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Also just for the record. I am quite sure I am older than you and I do not ever remember American soldiers going on strike for more pay or other benefits.

Probably because they are not allowed to.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/976
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Ha, ha. Are you saying soldiers negotiate their contracts? SERIOUSLY. Smile

They do have this going for them:

"Annual pay raises for all ranks, which apply to basic pay and drill pay, are designed to keep pace with overall wage growth in the private sector. By law, the minimum raise must match the annual change in the Employment Cost Index, a Labor Department measurement of private-sector wage growth. But Congress can, and frequently has, increased the size of the annual military pay raise."

http://projects.militarytimes.com/benefi......owances/

Pay raise history for the US Military:

https://www.navycs.com/charts/
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Ha, ha. Are you saying soldiers negotiate their contracts? SERIOUSLY.


?? Have you been drinking too much of the happy juice in AC?? Who ever said that soldiers negotiate their contracts? He said they have had increases. No, soldiers cannot negotiate for increases, yes they have had increases, yes they should have further increases, yes, many workers have had their pensions gutted and stolen and the government calls it legal.

Oh and just for the record, the last NYC teachers contract was for nine years, and that was after working with no contract for four years. And the retroactive pay we were supposed to get by Thanksgiving of 2014 is nowhere to be seen. I can only imagine what it would be like without a union.

Soldiers are workers, and like all workers they are exploited and screwed by the compulsive predators. Look at the Carlin clip posted above; he explains it all in 3 minutes.
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