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You already have a source. I would love to ask you without your computer in front of you what works of Burke you read and what you thought of them. You had better write Wikipedia and tell them they are wrong. Smile We will be waiting anxiously for the rewrite. Smile
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What is wrong with you aces? Wiki is a GREAT source when it proved his point otherwise it is wrong. Keep up. He will tell us what we believe. After all he is all knowing.
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Aren't you a clever git, aces? Have you read any Burke?

Out of curiosity, what was his plan for the slave trade in his "Negro Code"? (Yes, I've read that one?)

How did Burke feel about democracy? (Check "Reflections on the Revolution in France". Yeah, I've read that one, too.) Who did Burke say should have political power? (Give you a hint: he felt about inherited political power the same way he felt about inherited wealth.)

Burke is the father of conservatism because he strongly argued to conserve the existing structures of power.
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I have never read any Burke.

Everything you just posted about Burke is summarized on the net with a few googles.
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And property is a big part of that. Yes I have read most of it.

But by all means continue to tell me what I believe. After all you are the all knowing.

I noticed hire how it is Magnus calling names. Interesting.
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These governments with their banker friends have managed to accumulate huge debts and say we have managed to accumulate in recent decades, huge debts, as if it is us that did it. Then they quote from Edmund Burke, and say, “Society is indeed a contract." Don’t you know my boy? "The state is a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born."

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Read carefully, Danny. I have never once told you what you believe. Be honest.

Burke's main political objective was to conserve the existing social order. He believed in inheritance rights not because they were central to liberty, but because they were central to conserving the existing social structures.

This explains his strange attitude toward slavery. He was morally opposed to slavery, but was worried that abolishing it would disturb the existing political and economic order. He argued that laws should improve the way that slaves were treated (but still laid out the rules for corporal punishment of disobedient slaves); he never dared to suggest that slavery should be abolished.

By the way, he was opposed to democracy as we think of it, too. He was a member of parliament at a time when only propertied males were allowed to vote. Those were the only people he believed himself to be representing. Burke was all about conserving peerages, monarchy and state religion.

But what do I know? Danny says that individual property rights of all citizens is a fundamental feature of all conservatives. All I have is evidence, and we know how little that matters.
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Are you trying to make the case that conservatives didn't want to keep the private insurance companies? This should be interesting.


I am asking you to name who you think is a conservative in power. You couldn't so you deflect.

Interesting how you blame "conservatives" yet you can not manage to name even ONE in power! But that does not matter. You have an ideology and you stick to it no matter what. You are blinkered. You don't care if your side wins by telling lies and doing EXACTLY the things you deride the other side for. What would you say of the other side if they exhibited this behavior? I am pretty sure we all know.

Since this is the about the fifth time you've stated "You don't care if your side wins by telling lies," it really is about time you put up or shut up.
1) What do you think my side is?
2)"That I don't care if my side wins by telling lies" is a lie. So stop lying.
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But what do I know? Danny says that individual property rights of all citizens is a fundamental feature of all conservatives. All I have is evidence, and we know how little that matters.


Does your evidence show me saying ALL conservatives.?
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Are you trying to make the case that conservatives didn't want to keep the private insurance companies? This should be interesting.


I am asking you to name who you think is a conservative in power. You couldn't so you deflect.

Interesting how you blame "conservatives" yet you can not manage to name even ONE in power! But that does not matter. You have an ideology and you stick to it no matter what. You are blinkered. You don't care if your side wins by telling lies and doing EXACTLY the things you deride the other side for. What would you say of the other side if they exhibited this behavior? I am pretty sure we all know.

Since this is the about the fifth time you've stated "You don't care if your side wins by telling lies," it really is about time you put up or shut up.
1) What do you think my side is?
2)"That I don't care if my side wins by telling lies" is a lie. So stop lying.


Are you upset by the daily lies about the ACA or not? What should be done?
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But what do I know? Danny says that individual property rights of all citizens is a fundamental feature of all conservatives. All I have is evidence, and we know how little that matters.


Does your evidence show me saying ALL conservatives.?


Well, as a matter of fact, yes.

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Funny how you never used the word "property" which is essential in the conservative viewpoint.


That's pretty much what "essential" means.
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Yea the word ALL is not in there is it?

But keep telling us what we believe. You are the all knowing.
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Try this John. http://www.takeovergop.com/whatconservativesbelieve.php

"The fifth amendment to the Constitution says:

nor [shall any person] be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Remember again what the Declaration of Independence says:

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In the 5th amendment the founders have added the Right to own "property" as an unalienable Right.

Conservatives believe that no man is free if he is restricted from owning and possessing property.

Capitalism is rooted in the unalienable Right of the individual to own property. Communism, by contrast, is the belief that it is the Right of government to own property. The Bill of Rights limits the property rights of government.

Property does not just refer to real estate, it refers to anything that is lawful to own: your home, your car, your TV, your computer, ANY possessions that you have, including your guns and money."

But keep telling me what I believe. After all you are the all knowing. It is very clear that property does not matter to conservatives.
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Try this John. http://www.takeovergop.com/whatconservativesbelieve.php

"The fifth amendment to the Constitution says:

nor [shall any person] be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Remember again what the Declaration of Independence says:

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In the 5th amendment the founders have added the Right to own "property" as an unalienable Right.

Conservatives believe that no man is free if he is restricted from owning and possessing property.

Capitalism is rooted in the unalienable Right of the individual to own property. Communism, by contrast, is the belief that it is the Right of government to own property. The Bill of Rights limits the property rights of government.

Property does not just refer to real estate, it refers to anything that is lawful to own: your home, your car, your TV, your computer, ANY possessions that you have, including your guns and money."

But keep telling me what I believe. After all you are the all knowing. It is very clear that property does not matter to conservatives.


You are weird, Danny. What does the US constitution or the US declaration of independence have to do with the evolving definitions of liberalism and conservatism? Or me? Or anything I've said?

And where have I told you what you believe? Honestly, you're not important enough for that.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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You are telling me property is not part of it. Well now you are shown it clearly is and now you call names and obfuscate and duck dodge and hide.

You are getting more pathetic and predictable. But go ahead keep telling me what I believe. It is your strong suit even if you have never gotten it right. Now call me names instead of admitting wrong.
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You are telling me property is not part of it.


Part of what?

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Well now you are shown it clearly is and now you call names and obfuscate and duck dodge and hide.


What is "it" and what is "it" clearly?

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You are getting more pathetic and predictable. But go ahead keep telling me what I believe. It is your strong suit even if you have never gotten it right. Now call me names instead of admitting wrong.


$1000 dollars to the charity of your choice if you can find a passage in this thread where I tell you what you believe.

You said something about the definition of "conservatism". I disagreed with your definition. This has nothing to do with telling you what you believe. It has to do with the meaning of a word.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
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Well John what I believe is the definition of the word. Sorry parse and spin all you like you are full of it. Too bad that people don't fit into your little boxes huh?

Don't bother with the money. You never would do it anyhow. Property rights are a part of it.
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You two ought to be on the answer a question with a question thread.
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Well John what I believe is the definition of the word. Sorry parse and spin all you like you are full of it. Too bad that people don't fit into your little boxes huh?

Don't bother with the money. You never would do it anyhow. Property rights are a part of it.


Thought you'd not find it and resort to aggression. Typical, Danny.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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What aggression exactly? Show new aggression please.

That is only your little tactic to confuse and label things so they fit your narrative. It is not true. But that never bothers you.
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