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ianbroadmore Special user uk 634 Posts |
Not its not!!! see my site http://www.mindreader.biz and http://www.corporate-stress.com
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Dario_Bauer Regular user glasgow 109 Posts |
Procyonrising pretty much covered everything.
I suggest you take the guy that said it is quackery to a Stage Hypnosis show, there is deffinately something there, if you find a good practioner who know's how to use it, then it can work wonders.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography"
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mikep Veteran user Canada 327 Posts |
I have to admit that I was a skeptic, but not anymore, I now have been hypnotizes twice and not by choice. It actually works. Anyone who is a skeptic should go to a show and volunteer, they will be pleasantly suprised.
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wisdom New user 86 Posts |
Procyonrising, I venture to suggest that the esteemed Mr.Darrow will be highly displeased with your remarks about the National Guild of Hypnotists.
Naturally I will be highly delighted by this. I always like to see trouble stirred up. Incidentally I don't believe in hypnosis. I think it is a load of codswallop. I should know. I am a hypnotist. |
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mikep Veteran user Canada 327 Posts |
I have been hypnotized and have lost total self control in the hypnotized state. How then do explain the fact that I will follow your every command and have no self control to stop. I stop when you tell me to stop. This is definitely not codswallop.
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Dario_Bauer Regular user glasgow 109 Posts |
If there was a fire or he asked you to strip naked I'm sure you would have stopped. There is something there, but I don't know what, perhaps it is 'codswallop' enduced by the pure codswallop on the part of practioner's such as Wisdom. I think we will never know for sure what it is, so we should just make a best guess, and enjoy it while it works. What if someday someone comes up with an idea that allow's people greater control of their mind and they no longer need hypnotist's? Deffinately not today or tomoro, but what if someday the mystery of the human mind is unraveled and we can decipher it?
Just a thought, maybe this is one of the post's it talk's about in the rules that start to happen after midnight or maybe not.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography"
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czero Loyal user NYC 282 Posts |
There's an excellent discussion of what hypnosis is and is not in the Skeptic's Dictionary:
http://skepdic.com/hypnosis.html --Mike |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Excellent info for beginners, to the top...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Although I do not believe in the trance state, I believe that hypnotherapy can be very beneficial for certain conditions, as well as being in general good for someone because of it's relaxing and calming influence.
I was treated for a severe phobia about heights (caused by a childhood accident). One session was enough to transform that aspect of my life. I have also used hypnotherapy successfully to help someone give birth without pain relief. Yes it works.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Without trance? that's like saying body building works without needing to lift weights.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Ok. Tony, Mindpunisher. This is the plan: we get together, the both of you, one on each side of me, suited and booted. It's a one hour DVD with arguments for and against. State V Non-State. Trance V No-Trance. Hypnosis does/doesn't exist. Although we probably WON'T do this, would it have any value? One thing's for sure, it would be much better than the written argument we have in here. It just takes soooooooo long.
But what IS extremely interesting for me is how equally highly intelligent individuals can completely disagree with one another on this. The argument almost leaves the intellect to one side and slides into an emotional level. What other explanation could there be when people of similar intelligence, ken, knowhow and activity knowledge totally disagree with one another. What also interests me is how some have totally changed theirt minds and moved from one camp into another. That, I believe, albeit through gradually wearing away of the old thoughts, would have happened in a nano-second. An "Ahaa" moment. And THAT I find fascinating. I'd like to hear NOT the arguments anymore, but rather about the moments when change took place.....fascinating. bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
This is a very interesting discussion. It shows, to me, a very defensive attitude ("It's not quackery. It's not. It's not. It's not!"). While I think that having evidence to support the validity of hypnotherapy is valuable to any hypnotherapist (if you don't know that it's legitimate, why are you involved?), I would respectfully suggest that all the evidence in the world will not convince someone who has a predetermined mindset that hypnotherapy is quackery. Why waste time with such fools?
If someone came up and said to me, "Someone told me that hypnotherapy was quackery," I'd respond, "Yeah, well someone told me that you're a moron. I don't believe him, either." There is a poster on these forums who, no matter how much evidence you present to support the validity of NLP techniques, he keeps asking for "proof that NLP works." No amount of proof will ever satisfy him, so why bother? Beside, such people are simply nobodies looking to try and get some notice. I would suggest that rather than taking a defensive position, when approached by bozos, they should be treated aggressively like the clowns they are. Begin by assuming that hypnotherapy does work. Why is this person making such a stupid comment. Is he also going to ask about the validity of gravity? Further, if you are a hypnotherapist, he is questioning all of your training and experience. That would be like going up to a psychologist and saying "I hear that psychology is all quackery." Would a psychologist spend time with a nobody trying to defend himself/herself or simply say, "Well, if you ever need psychological therapy, good luck!" A duck's quack is the only sound in nature that doesn't echo. No need to worry about any echoing around such claims. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
First of all DMCraig, Mindpunisher informed me once that if you place a duck gently in a Glasgow tenement and touch it innapropriately to cause mild discomfort you WILL hear the echo of it's quack 5 floors above, so you're talking nonsense there.
Also might I suggest to you, that whilst I am of the similar opinion that the state of hypnosis does exist,Tony B & Alex Tsander came across as guys who know their subject as opposed to mere bozos. Also I actually do believe, after academic study of the subject, that much of psychology IS quackery. Now DMCraig, I've had clashes with you in the past, where I've had to scold you and spank you. That's psychologically of course but I know I hurt you and I'm not proud of that. But, why not simply apologise to Tony and Alex for being rude, admit to MP you were wrong about his duck and we can all move on. bobser. x
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-06-09 08:04, bobser wrote: I think we should just ban non believers from the forum because it it would be illegal to kill them. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
That's you gone then, Mindpunisher. Because you are a non-believer when it comes to my beliefs.
I think we should have a pillow fight. Trance on one pillow, non-trance on the other. I'm already in training - which brings me to your comment: Without trance? that's like saying body building works without needing to lift weights. There is actually a long history of bodybuilders and strength athletes NOT using weights. Eugene Sandow, the original strongman, had a very impressive physique and immense strength, without ever touching weights. He used a technique called dynamic tension. The technique was later used by Bruce Lee, who did not have a massive physique, but what he had was very highly toned and developed. There is never just one way of doing something.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
I think we should ban MP from going near ducks. Poor defenseless ducks being touched inappropriately ...
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Tony
I believe you believe what you believe. And you don't believe do you?. If you don't believe me read your posts they are unbelievable. Perhaps that's one of your weaknesses? You go into history. There is no living bodybuilder who doesn't use weights. A strongman isn't a "bodybuilder" neither was Bruce Lee although he did use weights in his training too. Perhaps you have the same innacurate representations for hypnosis which would account for your beliefs? Now that does sound believable to me. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-06-09 18:57, silverfire9 wrote: What good would that do? I am skilled in remote distance pk killing. Ive got a certificate from Richard Nongard to prove it. |
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Mark Davies New user 66 Posts |
Hi Bobser , You told me that innapropriately interfering with a duck would help me overcome my fear of birds, now I have the r.s.p.c.b and the bobbies on my door step.your quackers ,please help!Ps also a nasty little rash . Is this normal?
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
The dynamic tension thing is absolutely true. My father used to show me how to imagine lifting weights and it gave me the body I have today.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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