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A question was asked:-

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On Mar 1, 2015, brainman wrote:

Do I have to leave my own cardbox in front of me?


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On Mar 1, 2015, tom.elderfield wrote:

Brainman - you do need your own deck of cards yes Smile . . . .


I see that you sort of skipped the question. Smile It would be nice if you can please reply as to what has been asked? If not, I do understand.

Also, can you do this surrounded (especially when spectator(s) are standing behind you)?

Thank you.

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On Mar 3, 2015, Ustaad wrote:
A question was asked:-

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On Mar 1, 2015, brainman wrote:

Do I have to leave my own cardbox in front of me?



Answer given:-

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On Mar 1, 2015, tom.elderfield wrote:

Brainman - you do need your own deck of cards yes Smile . . . .


I see that you sort of skipped the question. Smile It would be nice if you can please reply as to what has been asked? If not, I do understand.

Also, can you do this surrounded (especially when spectator(s) are standing behind you)?

Thank you.

Smile





I agree with Ustaad and I ask the same question.
Thanks
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Interesting concept, can't do it surrounded, have to leave your cardbox on the table, stuff is provided to make only 1 gimmick which is not enough for the price of the trick, they could have included 2, 3 more since it's inexpensive.

Well, you still can go to any art and craft store to find enough for the rest of your life.

Method is cleaner than a peek but have downsides which for me, where I perform magic, makes it impossible to use. Nice concept though.
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On Mar 4, 2015, Alex DLF wrote:

Interesting concept, can't do it surrounded, have to leave your cardbox on the table, . . . .


Alex, Thank you for clarifying my query.

And as for:-

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On Feb 19, 2015, WeiserSide1 wrote:

This CAN be done strolling. Tom does this regularly in his strolling sets.


Considering the performance limitations (as spelt out by Alex), I feel this would be a bit difficult to perform in a strolling scenario unless (and I do hope) the DVD explains the pros-n-cons on this.

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On Mar 4, 2015, Ustaad wrote:
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On Mar 4, 2015, Alex DLF wrote:

Interesting concept, can't do it surrounded, have to leave your cardbox on the table, . . . .


Alex, Thank you for clarifying my query.

And as for:-

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On Feb 19, 2015, WeiserSide1 wrote:

This CAN be done strolling. Tom does this regularly in his strolling sets.


Considering the performance limitations (as spelt out by Alex), I feel this would be a bit difficult to perform in a strolling scenario unless (and I do hope) the DVD explains the pros-n-cons on this.

Smile


Do either of you actually own this effect?

You've taken one statement from the creator and totally blown it out of proportion. You've taken another statement and contradicted what the creator has already stated. Frankly I think you two look foolish trying to suss out information before you can back up your words with facts.

I'm waiting for an actual review to come out on this instead of continue to pay attention to this dribble...

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Don't understand your post.. How could I do a review without actually having the product ? Wow, the way you react is very strange, don't want to ear/see the truth ?

Anyway, I think you can manage to do it strolling but people will have to be in face of you.
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There's a review in the latest Jheff newsletter, and not too favorable at that. Sounds like A re-invention of a classic with a lack of crediting.
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There's a review in the latest Jheff newsletter, and not too favorable at that. Sounds like A re-invention of a classic with a lack of crediting.

Yes, that is correct. I'm sure that this another case of independent invention combined with a lack of due diligence to determine whether anything like this was released before. In truth, this is the effect that Dennis Marks' made famous and which he called THE INVISIBLE EYE. It's been around for more than a decade, I'm sure, maybe two. The gimmick is almost exactly the same and used exactly the same way. Up until Dennis passed away a few years ago, he was creating new uses for the gimmick. None of what is presented on the DVD is new, based on what was in the original instructions and what Dennis showed me over the years. The only reason why I listed it at all on Marketplace of the Mind is because Dennis is no longer with us and so it is no longer available, but I'm having second thoughts about listing it.

Here's a very old thread about it on the Café:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109

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Thank you jheff, Alex and Ustaad. More money saved.
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Do either of you actually own this effect?


I don't need to own this as I already own The Invisible Eye. Smile . . . and that was the main reason of my asking a few pertinent questions. Smile

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On Mar 4, 2015, Mr. Mindbender wrote:
There's a review in the latest Jheff newsletter, and not too favorable at that. Sounds like A re-invention of a classic with a lack of crediting.

Yes, that is correct. I'm sure that this another case of independent invention combined with a lack of due diligence to determine whether anything like this was released before. In truth, this is the effect that Dennis Marks' made famous and which he called THE INVISIBLE EYE. It's been around for more than a decade, I'm sure, maybe two. The gimmick is almost exactly the same and used exactly the same way. Up until Dennis passed away a few years ago, he was creating new uses for the gimmick. None of what is presented on the DVD is new, based on what was in the original instructions and what Dennis showed me over the years. The only reason why I listed it at all on Marketplace of the Mind is because Dennis is no longer with us and so it is no longer available, but I'm having second thoughts about listing it.

Here's a very old thread about it on the Café:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109

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I love the last post on that old thread. Ten years later someone asks if they have one for sale. Smile
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Oh, I didn't know it was already published..

Yep, Tom should pull this out of the market.
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Oh, I didn't know it was already published..

Yep, Tom should pull this out of the market.


Everyone else gets away with it so why shouldn't Tom? I think if its no longer available from the original creator then why not bring it back to market? Just make sure credit is given where due. Judging by the mixed reviews it sounds like a very powerful tool for some.
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When you add the fact you're supplied with only 1 gimmick for $30, no crediting is given to the actual inventor, it is not cool at all. But hey, if you think it's how the magic market work, we can still close our eyes and let everything being put out.
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Unfortunately, Alex we are only a small fraction of the market and most will never know that it was previously released or even care about crediting.
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Tom is a member of the Magic Circle so I'm sure he'll do the right thing.
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@Weiserside1 I meant strolling without a table. I don't think that is possible.
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On Mar 5, 2015, pegasus wrote:
Thank you jheff, Alex and Ustaad. More money saved.


Totally agree pegasus,thanks to Professor Ustaad and others members for the clarifications
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On Feb 19, 2015, tom.elderfield wrote:
Thanks Sasha! So happy with how this turned out! Happy to answer any questions Smile

What will you do now it's been discovered this trick already exists?
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