On Mar 15, 2015, MeetMagicMike wrote:
I can easily argue with that logic too. I chided Rick Lax for exposing a certain set of gimmicked coins on Penguin's site. I respect Rick and he replied graciously but I think he went too far in that case.

I wonder if the people who think that Prop Dog's exposure is ok have really watched the video. He went into far far more detail than was necessary by any stretch if the imagination.

The idea that people would have to Google the actual name of a trick to find it might have been true 10 years ago but search engines are incredible now. Googling Card to walled might not bring this video to the top today but it won't be long.

(Oh and Warren clearly stated in the other thread that he was going to start a poll in another thread and why)

On Mar 15, 2015, MattyWhipple wrote:
I think it was Lance Burton who's theory was that purposely exposing our methods forces us to create new methods and thereby ensures the continued evolution and survival of our craft.

On Mar 13, 2015, warren wrote:
Having come across Dave Bonsalls website Propdog which is a site anyone can access I was disgusted to find him exposing classic effects openly via his video descriptions of his products for example he totally exposes the workings of the JOL wallets why would a professional magician do this ?

I personally don't know any magic dealers that expose the effects that they sell I'm totally amazed by it tut tut shame on him he should know better !!

On Mar 16, 2015, Bonz wrote:

Obviously it would not be right to give too much away about other people’s products, but as we now own the JOL company, I felt I owe it to my customers to let them know what they are getting before they buy. The last thing I want is for a customer to get ‘jiffy bag’ rage about one of my products. If I had my way, then customers would have an opportunity to see EXACTLY what they are buying before they pay. I am fed up with misleading trailers and some of the crap that is being released these days. Misrepresentation of products in this way would never be accepted in other industries and may well be seen as fraudulent! So forgive me for trying to be honest here.

Dave Bonsall

On Mar 16, 2015, Bonz wrote:
Hi Guys & hello Warren!

First of all Warren, at least please give me the common courtesy of having the time to reply to your email before you launch a personal attack upon me and my business!

I did receive and read your first email and it was a very complimentary and polite email, for which I thank you.
However you have to understand that I am an incredibly busy man, I work 100+ hours a week and I receive well over 3000 emails a week! Being this busy I have to prioritize the order in which I reply to emails, especially as my staff do not work weekends, so it’s an even busier time for me . My customer order emails ALWAYS being first and foremost, advice email/enquires second and so on. So a complaint email such as yours, as nicely worded as it was, I’m afraid goes to the bottom of the priority pile, it’s not a personal thing Warren, there’s just not enough time in a day.

So I was a little surprised to receive yet another email just a few days later asking why I had not replied and even more surprised to find that you’re publicly slating me and bringing my good business name into disrepute by entitling a thread as ‘Dave Bonsall Exposing Effect’, people who don’t read this thread, may remember this as something else. This is very misleading and slanderous Warren! I am busy enough as it is without having to deal with all this and yes, I do feel you are launching some kind of personal attack against me as you have felt the need to voice your opinion/concern about this on multiple other threads too!

Now, regarding the subject in hand; I am a very honest dealer and am not doing this for the money! If it was about the money, then I would still be performing full time, I don’t take a single penny from the company and I’ve never had less money than I do now, but it’s a new business, that’s expected. So please be aware I’m not exposing for the profit!
It is in fact the exact opposite. I have sold many wallets from other manufactures, that do not have a video such as mine accompanying it. I have also received many complaints, comments and refund requests because the wallets either, could not do what the trailer said, or the wallet was just too unworkable. This isn’t just limited to wallets of course, but many products that are released nowadays.

Obviously it would not be right to give too much away about other people’s products, but as we now own the JOL company, I felt I owe it to my customers to let them know what they are getting before they buy. The last thing I want is for a customer to get ‘jiffy bag’ rage about one of my products. If I had my way, then customers would have an opportunity to see EXACTLY what they are buying before they pay. I am fed up with misleading trailers and some of the crap that is being released these days. Misrepresentation of products in this way would never be accepted in other industries and may well be seen as fraudulent! So forgive me for trying to be honest here.

But do I feel like I am really exposing a trick? No I don’t. You say that when you purchase a trick, you are paying for the secret. Well yes and no. Most of the time you are, but with a wallet, you are not paying for the secret, you are paying for the prop, the quality of the wallet and the workmanship that goes into it.
It is a ‘card to wallet’ wallet, we all know that and it says that it is in the product description. Should I remove any information that says it’s a card to wallet? Stating this, according to your argument, would also be exposing it. If one of your lay audience were to some how track down the exact wallet you are using, and it says it was a ‘card to wallet’ wallet, but it had no video. Then they would still know that this wallet would somehow let you put a card in it without being seen. Just because a video shows you, it does not change the fact that the person would know that it is the secret wallet.

I would also challenge you to perform this to any laypeople and then challenge them to search the net to find out the secret. I can almost guarantee you that they will not as I have tried it myself several times! So I do not personally feel that I am doing anything wrong here. It’s just a simple honest video showing you what you are getting for you money. If you really feel that you can no longer perform with your wallet, then by all means send it to me and I will give you a complete refund even though you have had it for 10 years!

I am a professional performer and earn my entire living, solely from performing. I also perform with a JOL wallet that has been ‘exposed’ on my website. I am 100% comfortable with this and do not feel it harms my performance in the minutest way! Do you really think that I would expose anything that would affect my living?

If I felt that any video was exposing too much, then I will password protect it as I have done with the video for Paul’s Balls on the website.

So Warren, I hope this clears up my point of view on the subject and I also understand and respect your point of view too. You are completely entitled to your opinion, but I would respectfully request that you stop personally slating me and stop bringing my business, that I have worked so hard to develop, into disrepute!

Dave Bonsall