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Rook Special user I went to the Magic Cafe and all I got were these lousy 834 Posts |
Yep, and I appreciate the tip regarding the thump. I'm embarrassed that I hadn't considered simply hitting the thing.
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it.
-Roald Dahl |
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Vonschwager New user ben dover is my brother not a verb 19 Posts |
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On May 3, 2015, Rook wrote: sorry, I assume those interested in escapes have learnt basics. |
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
After watching that movie, and conferring with another EA we have these conversations
A. If he had a belly chain that rapping would be very difficult B. The cuffs were probably Peerless because S&W has a harder mechanism to dislodge. C. If the cuffs were turned 180 the DL pins would face in and he could not rap them. As in the movie, however he could use the top if a metal chair back assuming he was on his knees. D. With a belly chain (as is supposed to be used with the box) and the pins facing in, there again he couldn't rap them. E. Round cuffs inside that box now become oriented so the pins (on that model) are perpendicular to a wall F. You can't make a high security box out of duct tape.
Jay Leslie
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NotSoWise New user victoria,bc 73 Posts |
I tried rapping my Peerless on some cement - didn't work for me. However, my double locks are a bit wonky...
Anyone else try this? |
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Vonschwager New user ben dover is my brother not a verb 19 Posts |
Hi Notsowise, this is not really the type of thing that will assist you in any type of escape unless the challenge has a cash
price of 1000's of dollars. As an academic line of inquiry, it's fun to do but will damage your cuffs. If you wish to use this principle in an act, best to make the cuff suit you requirement first. Also did you take the advice from Master Mollett, good advice is given here but normally not used. footnote: use a block of hardwood to hit cuffs against. |
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
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On May 4, 2015, Vonschwager wrote: Hello and welcome to the Café. Please add some info to your profile so we know a bit about you. So here's a few questions. How would rapping a pair of swing-through cuffs in a black box do damage to the cuff? How do you "make" a set of cuffs suit your requirement? Wouldn't it be easier to find a pair that's already broken-in? Why not use a piece of lead on your hamstring like HH did as opposed to a piece of wood (on your leg or on a wall... Which is a different subject) and that's assuming the DL pins are facing down on this confinement. And why is this not any type of a thing that will assist you in any type of escape when the actor in the movie successfully used it to gain freedom?
Jay Leslie
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Vonschwager New user ben dover is my brother not a verb 19 Posts |
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On May 4, 2015, jay leslie wrote: Notsowise said he rapped the cuff on concrete, I suggested wood. Yes it would be easier to use any brand which was easy to disengage, Old Clejuso 12 would be best using Santini's method, but notsowise says he has Peerless. Or the OP suggest S&W. Have you tried Houdini's lead theory, must be a thick piece of lead, not plumbers sheet. Please explain your movie plot again, I don't see the point. |
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
Yes cement is bad on metal. I didn't see a quote to relate your suggestion to the OP
I made a half pipe of brass, for the hamstring, that opens a lot of English style cuffs. It's not as quiet as lead but it's just for testing. You can also rap Ian's Russian Manacles IF you don't care about the pain to your wrists. When I told him that, he asked why I just didn't order a cuff with one spring. (But how would I know that rapping was possible until having one around my wrists ) I think that rapping is probably best done while inside a boiler, trunk to second room as opposed to making it the focal point of the escape. (Unless it's disguised within a comedy presentation. If you introduce a hammer and a saw then you could rap a pair open and the audience will be misdirected, and they can search for a key all day. ) I think there is a difference between escaping from a jacket, in full view, as opposed to rapping cuffs because the jacket can be presented as a skillful execution of a choreographed performance and rapping is like a trick. Maybe if there was a penalty attached, that might make the act of rapping into something more artistic.
Jay Leslie
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NotSoWise New user victoria,bc 73 Posts |
After beating my S&W 100s, I can tell you;
a) you can rap the double locks off b) its not good for the cuffs to do this. The outside can take the beating, but I think its taken a toll on the inside. By toll I mean I can no longer fit the key in... They were already a bit wonky anyways (dont pick with paperclips). I definitely don't recommend doing this! I have to agree with Jay - not really a performance thing (unless its for $$ like Vonschwager said). What do people think about actually picking cuffs in full-view? |
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Vonschwager New user ben dover is my brother not a verb 19 Posts |
Hi Notsowise, I suspect your cuffs are rivetted construction and that the laminations have slipped due to the rapping.
This will have closed the keyhole. If this is right, carefully rap the cuff from the other side to align the keyhole post to the centre again. please let me know if this works. many people pick in full view, good/bad, who knows. cannot use it as the reasoning for escaping a packing crate unless it's locked from the inside |
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Rook Special user I went to the Magic Cafe and all I got were these lousy 834 Posts |
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On May 5, 2015, NotSoWise wrote: I prefer the full-view escapes when I can do them. Picking a lock demonstrates skill, doing so under some form of duress even moreso.
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it.
-Roald Dahl |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
From what I've read from lay people, it's a mixed bag.
Some think full-view picking lacks mystery. Others think concealed escapes are 'lame.'
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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