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[quote]On Apr 27, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
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On Apr 26, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
You omnivores got it rough. /quote]
All humans are omnivores.

Lobo, of course, meant practicing omnivores.



No need to qualify. "An animal that eats both plants and other animals." Heck, that doesn't even apply to vegetarians, let alone vegans!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On Apr 27, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
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On Apr 26, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
You omnivores got it rough.

All humans are omnivores.

Lobo, of course, meant practicing omnivores.

"An animal that eats both plants and other animals."

So . . . cannibals who also eat veg don't qualify?
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I'd interpret that as including cannibals unless they're strictly self-consuming.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I'd interpret that as including cannibals unless they're strictly self-consuming.

I'd interpret it as meaning other species. Surely you don't think that the word "other" was included in the definition to exclude autophagia.
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I think it was merely redundant. It makes about as much sense to me as the notion that it was carefully intended to exclude animals that eat others of their species, but no other animal species.

I may be viewing it through my legal lens. It's a canon of statutory interpretation that you attempt to discern intent only when the plain meaning of the language is ambiguous. Here, I think it's unambiguous - it says "other animals" not "other species of animals," so my inclination is not to bother trying to figure out which of two bizarre situations they were attempting to reference. Especially since my instinct is that "typical linguistic redundancy" is much more likely than either conscious choice.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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If a tiger is starving, does it cease to be a carnivore?
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If a tiger eats only plants and other tigers, is it an herbivore?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Indeed, that is the question.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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If a tiger is starving, does it cease to be a carnivore?


over time one could say that it in the singular changes fron animal to part-vegatable then mineral
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Maybe someone can educate me. What the heck happened to our production of food that some of it is so loaded with chemicals? How did we get to that point anyway?

It seems strange to me.

Interesting article at the link that at least partially answers your question.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food......4151856/

(The really short summary is that flavour is no longer the main consideration in modern times when it comes to raising animals and growing vegetables ... so chemicals are added to bland foods to make them taste good.)

Two things I found especially interesting:

"Back in 1870, a 100-gram (31/2-ounce) piece of chicken contained just under 4 grams of fat. By 1970, that number had risen to 8.6 grams, and by 2004 chicken was packing more than 20 grams."

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"The food problem is a flavour problem. For half a century, we've been making the stuff people should eat - fruits, vegetables, whole grains, unprocessed meats - incrementally less delicious. Meanwhile, we’ve been making the food people shouldn’t eat - chips, fast food, soft drinks, crackers - taste ever more exciting. The result is exactly what you'd expect."
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Thanks for sharing that! It makes a lot of sense really. I have many friends from Africa, north and south, refugees from Eritrea and Burundi, Chad, Congo, etc. They all say the same thing, that the meat in America doesn't taste good, that it is too bland.

And my good friend from Eritrea who used to be skinny as a rail is starting to pack on pounds drinking sodas and eating processed foods.

This makes me want to start raising chickens and gardening.
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The bit about fat in chicken has me puzzled, though. I have some skinless chicken breasts in my freezer and they claim to contain 3g of fat per 100g.

I suppose the article may be talking about chicken overall (i.e. all parts), including the skin.
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That makes sense. Either that or they're testing only the dark meat.
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Chicken, beef and pork taste different in Germany than America's. That I know.

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On Apr 30, 2015, Dougini wrote:

Chicken, beef and pork taste different in Germany than America's. That I know.

Doug



Most likely because they raise different breeds of Cows, chickens and pigs than we do in the States. They also probably don't force feed them corn to fatten them up before slaughter.

http://www.germanlivestock.de/
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