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To all who may be interested my name is Doc and I'm a card cheat.



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The Doctor aka as D.O.C. Dealer Of Cards.


Consistent indeed
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Hello all,

As much as I like to read about the who-knows-who and what-means-what, I'd like to make an effort to get back to the subject.

Has anyone here really used them in a game to take it down ?

To all who know a little about games : how do you manage to know in advance the kind of cards that will be used on that specific day ? Still, you'll need a cooler move... Those are a lot of unknowns (419 to be precise.... joke). How does one deal with that ?

If one is using a team to get down one mark, why not just mark the back of the cards... One would save a cooler that way and it will eventually pay at the end (especially at 5 against 1).

I mean, if the only objective of all that is to get the money, there must be better ideas to work on, no ?

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On Nov 4, 2015, tommy wrote:
Those gamblers who start getting money often become decadent and like Rome they fall. It is tough at the top.


I know you are "loaded" tommy and can't even count all the money you have.

It can't be that tough at the top!!! Smile
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Oh look, here's another post from DOC indicating that "Dice or Cards" really wasn't what DOC stood for.

Or maybe - JUST maybe ... DOC should have noted to Expertmagician that - "yeah", it stood for "Dealer of Cards" sometimes, and "Dice or Cards" other times, depending on who I was talking to. Or something just a bit more honest than that which was posted.


From April 30th, 2004 here on the Café:

I would like to tell who ever might be interested in gambling to buy this here book. This book is really a 10 on a scale of 1 - 5. I know this to be true because Ive been a student of Walter Scott for over 13 years now and Im the real thing. Next to Gazzo, Im the best at this technique in the country.
Steve Forte whos the best all around cheat in the country wrote in this book that he never seen anyone do Walter Scotts punch deal in play until he met me. Since this book was already in the process of being published when he actually saw me do this technique, he couldn't change his statement.

Im the only known gambler today who actually uses Walters technique in play. don't get me wrong, other cheats do this move but they do not use Walter Scotts Punch or Technique.

So I said all that to say this, since Im one of the top 10 cheats in the country and Im living Walter Scotts life at the moment (as "The New Phantom of the Card Table)," you can take it from me, everything that he says about cheating and the life we live in this book is true.

Im sorry to say that this book is so good and informative that I don't want you to buy it because of what I do for a living; but hey, it has to be told that this is an excellent and I mean excellent book. If you cheat, you want this book on your shelf as part of your gambling collection.

Im going on record to date and saying that if anyone don't like this here book after reading it and don't think that this is true, you don't know what real gambling is and you don't know what youre talking about.

D.O.C.

Dealer of Cards

The New "Phantom of the Card Table" Has Spoken
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We doubt that many self-dealt poker cash games will be found in the home game digest and lone wolf plays with strippers and the like will not very fit the bill in croup dealt games. In such games a lone wolf croupier could do no more or less than steal chips from the pots and a lone wolf player could not do much neither.

Short hand games, on the other hand, such as Kalooki, are always self-dealt and better fit the bill than poker for loan wolfing. High stakes players have took to playing a short hand game called “Crash” and they play it as they fly around the world on airplanes on the circuit etcetera. They are calling it the Bentley of Poker. That is the sort of game a lone wolf ought to be looking into.
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...Or maybe - JUST maybe ... DOC should have noted to Expertmagician that - "yeah", it stood for "Dealer of Cards" sometimes, and "Dice or Cards" other times, depending on who I was talking to. Or something just a bit more honest than that which was posted.


How about "Dealer of Crap." The more I read these definitions, the more I like COD, or Cod or even cod...

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From April 30th, 2004 here on the Café:


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...I know this to be true because Ive been a student of Walter Scott for over 13 years now and Im the real thing. Next to Gazzo, Im the best at this technique in the country.


That is making the presumption that Walter Scott was the real thing and actually was a PROFESSIONAL hustler and not just a traveling musician that did blindfold demos for magicians.

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Steve Forte whos the best all around cheat in the country wrote in this book that he never seen anyone do Walter Scotts punch deal in play until he met me.


Steve Forte is not the best all-around cheat in the country. He is not a cheater at all although he has done some "things" in his distant past but he is not in the top cheater category or even close, never was in that category nor at this point in his life would he want to be. Being a cheat is not a badge of honor.

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Im the only known gambler today who actually uses Walters technique in play. don't get me wrong, other cheats do this move but they do not use Walter Scotts Punch or Technique.


That actually may be a true statement because professional cheats don't use this nonsense, at least not at the higher levels. This is strictly amateur stuff to excite those who have no real experience around professional hustling.

In fact, Forte stated in the intro to the book in question (Phantoms at the Card Table), that cheats use the punch mostly for information, not to punch deal and that in fact is a better way to use punch work.

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So I said all that to say this, since Im one of the top 10 cheats in the country and Im living Walter Scotts life at the moment (as "The New Phantom of the Card Table)," you can take it from me, everything that he says about cheating and the life we live in this book is true.


He has no clue who the top cheats are, what they use or how they operate. He has fooled some impressionable magician/hobbyist types with this nonsense, but he is totally delusional.

More incredible than reading this fool's babble is he has a following of groupies (or cultists) that actually believe and wet their pants reading or listening to this clown's insane statements. I'm talking about adults, not impressionable teenagers. Their will to believe overrides any attempt at rational thought.

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Im going on record to date and saying that if anyone don't like this here book after reading it and don't think that this is true, you don't know what real gambling is and you don't know what youre talking about.


Oh, I thought he was going to offer a refund.

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D.O.C.

Dealer of Cards

The New "Phantom of the Card Table" Has Spoken


How about D.O.C., Deliverer of crap. He also calls himself "the new black Steve Forte." Maybe as Cod, he should call himself "the new black Erdnase."

This guy's naive followers have the same personality characteristics as groupies or cultists. They have suspended rationality for blind belief. They mistakenly believe that if someone professes loudly and often enough to be a cheat and can performs magician type demo moves, even if the does some of them well, that in fact in and of itself makes him a cheat.

Of course, he may have done or do some small time street cheating but he is not even close to the top level. By his own admission, he won't attempt to beat casino games or play in the big professional poker games in his area.
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Being a cheat is not a badge of honor.


Well said, Cagliostro.
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Attacking Doc when he is banned and not able to defend himself is not only the act of a cheat but also a cowardly one.
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Attacking Doc when he is banned and not able to defend himself is not only the act of a cheat but also a cowardly one.


Responding rationally to outrageous statements and showing their absurdity is not an attack, and an intelligent and objective person would understands that without further clarification.

However I would say your statement is confrontational but when I consider the source it has no meaning. Smile

Are you still taking your meds?
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That is a commonplace, vulgar little bigoted question, which only a cheap crook with no sense of fairness would ask.

Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Tommy, DOC responded to Cag through Expertmagician, and Cag is carrying on the discussion.
It's not really the one sided affair you propose.

Although I personally don't share Cag's overt dislike for DOC, I don't believe DOC needs any help defending his name in this forum.

DOC's personality and posts certainly weren't those of a lightweight, and his posts were written in a manner that couldn't help but invite both positive and negative responses ... which they did back in the day, and do again now.

DOC's passive/aggressive style towards both his friends and his enemies is what it is (and he and Cag aren't that different in their respective behavior on internet forums).

Not to put too fine a point on it, if you're going to post implying that Cag is a "cheat" and a "coward" ... do expect him to respond ... or better yet, leave the two similar personalities to their back-and-forths without 3rd party intervention.
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Re: my discussion of DOC's statements:

I recall that when I first joined this BB and had made a number of posts, this supposedly really nice guy DOC (according to Expert Magician), attacked me in his rude, confrontational and uncomprehending way because he saw there was someone on the board that knew a lot more than he about professional gambling and was not another magician/hobbyist or starry-eyed newbie. While he was on this BB, I continued to challenge him and rebuke him directly when he spewed out braggadocios nonsense that simply wasn't true. Based on a great deal of experience I had no problem confronting him directly over and over again.

On a positive note, his bloviating does stir up controversy, discussion and excites some as he condemns the members for not knowing anything or not knowing the "real work" that he knows because they are not real cheats like him??? Duhhh!

Personally I enjoyed reading his posts from time to time because he occasionally makes some valid points and at other times his nonsense gives me a good laugh. He does do some of his demo moves skillfully but he seems to be primarily a demonstrator and not everything he does is realistic except possibly in very lax private games.

As far as his confrontational and boisterous manner, that is part and parcel of the street environment he lives in. That's the way people act and talk in his area of activity and to survive you have to act and talk that way also.

I did not kick him off the board for his boisterous, insulting and offensive manner, the admin did. So if he wants to make amends with the admin and come back on this board, bring him on. I'd like to see his posts again and agree with him when he is right and confront him when he blabbing BS.

A search will bring up some of our head to head confrontations which might prove interesting. I had a couple of links but cannot get the data base to connect at this time to those links. I'll put them up later if I can.

By the way, if anyone doesn't like my posts I suggest they either grow up and counter intelligently and rationally or better yet, read and respond to my posts when they are not strung out.
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"Proficiency in target practice is not the sole qualification of the trap shooter. Many experts with the gun who can
nonchalantly ring up the bull's eye in a shooting gallery could not hit the side of a barn in a duel. The greater the
emergency, or the greater the stakes, the greater the nerve required"

SWE


Cag

If I were you, I would steer clear of them there duels.
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"...Many experts with the gun who can nonchalantly ring up the bull's eye in a shooting gallery could not hit the side of a barn in a duel. The greater the
emergency, or the greater the stakes, the greater the nerve required."

SWE


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If I were you, I would steer clear of them there duels.


As a young man I was in the in the U.S. Marine Corps for several years and I can guarantee you we did not shoot at barns.
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As a young man I was in the in the U.S. Marine Corps for several years and I can guarantee you we did not shoot at barns.


NOW I KNOW WHO CAGLIOSTRO IS !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NWBW5NTJsk
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Interesting Tony45. I was a Sergeant in the US Marine corps but not a sniper. I was actually in a combat battalion and we had plenty of opportunity to shoot our rifles at "live" action.

Hummm...I wonder if tommy, standing in his diapers, was throwing pebbles at barns at that time with one hand while holding his bible, the children's edition of The Expert at the Card Table in the other. Smile
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I wonder if running around Vietnam with a transistor radio sticking out your ear, armed to the teeth in a battalion, shooting at poor villagers who are armed only with a pitch folk and a bowl full of rice, is a duel.
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Why don't both of you give it a rest.
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Interesting:

http://www.annalsofcrime.com/02-01.htm


As Orson Wells said: "Cagliostro was a man after my own heart."

Seems like you divulged my family ancestry for all to see. My great, great, great grandfather, Count Alessandro di Cagliostro amassed many fortunes through guile, treachery, fraud and chicanery. He lived a fabulous life but alas he died in prison at the end.

Which begs the question, is it better to mostly live a fabulous life of wealth and luxury and spend your remaining few years dying in prison, or live a very mundane life, perhaps struggling for money most of the time, trying to make ends meet, and then die in bed never having experienced things that most people dream about?

As Henry David Thoreau said, "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them." Well, seems like Cagliostro lived the song for most of his life.

These are type questions philosophers ponder probably because they really have nothing better to do. Smile
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