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A Monte Bank eh. Well yes, that fits that bill more or less. You are certainly closer to Monte Python than Monte Carlo.
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"Bloviating"?

I *literally* laughed out loud.

Philosophers have nothing better to do?

Oh my dear, Cag, have you lost your wits? Your Verstand? Your rationis capax?

You're too good for the Café! Well done.

I'm going back to lurking. My puritan heritage prevents me from having so much fun....
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Stooooonnnnnneeeeyyyyyy!!!!!!
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In Jason England's Sub Rosa video, he mentioned that 3-4 months ago he received word that 2 video projects were in the works on this topic of N-Strippers. It's been over a year since Jason England did the video, and I haven't heard of any another video project having been released. Anyone know of any public releases about this topic since then?
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Jason said that the realease of Sub Rosa made the other person reconsider releasing it.
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One of them is me.
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On Jan 30, 2017, CoffeeBeans wrote:
Jason said that the realease of Sub Rosa made the other person reconsider releasing it.


I see. I was starting to think it was some marketing ploy, but good to know.
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One of them is me.


Nope. Your project was a book. No one reads anymore, so I wasn't worried about you putting a book out (or doing a bad job). Your book would have been interesting and informative (still would be).

Both of the projects were video projects. One from Canada and one from the West Coast of the US. The one from Canada was the one I was really concerned about. That guy has ripped off nearly everyone in magic. The West Coast guys would have done an okay job.

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On Jan 30, 2017, CoffeeBeans wrote:
Jason said that the realease of Sub Rosa made the other person reconsider releasing it.


That is only an assumption on my part. I never spoke to the guy that I initially heard was going to make a video about them, but since his project never materialized I can only assume he realized he'd been beaten to the market. He's ripped off nearly everyone in magic including many of my friends so I was fine with torpedoing his project by doing it better than he ever could have.

Jason
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@Jason

It was a video + booklet project.
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It was a video + booklet project.


Oh. Never knew that. (Did you ever say that before now?)

In any case, you weren't one of the reasons. There are several people I'd have been happy to see make such a project - you're one of them.

Jason
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The people who have made real money from strippers are the people who over the years have sold the millions the millions of them.
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I recently bought the Subrosa project via Scam School. Very well done and I am enjoying the concept and the conversation here. I am struggling with the necessary soft touch but I am sure that is lack of practice.
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I bought Sub Rosa last year. As with everything I've seen from Jason (I've bought all of his card videos from Theory 11), it is excellent. A fantastic introduction for the uninitiated.

I was working in Beijing at the time (where I am currently) and had the Sub Rosa decks shipped to my home address.

I watched the video and I tried putting the work into a few Chinese decks that I bought in a supermarket, but I had little to no success, either due to inexperience with the handling or preparation of the cards, or the poor quality of the decks themselves. I set the idea aside until I returned home and could try the professionally prepared decks that are included in the Sub Rosa package.

I found it much, much easier to pull cards from the included decks than from the decks I had previously made myself. Within the first day or two, I had near perfect accuracy pulling the cards from the included blue "beginner" deck, so I moved to the red "advanced" deck pretty quickly. I could pull from that deck with very high accuracy after less than a week.

I think the work in the beginner deck is obvious fairly obvious, I'm sure I would have noticed that the card were prepared even if I had not known what to look for. You can easily see the notches when looking at the long end of the deck, even if the prepared cards are separated. While the work is lighter on the advanced deck, I'd say it's still pretty noticeable.

I wanted to practice with different values as in Jason's video, so rather than put my own work into the provided decks, I decided to try making a few of my own again. I bought a high quality glass file about as thick as my thumb, and I carefully prepared a few Bee decks myself, all with lighter work than the Sub Rosa decks.

I worked up from the heaviest to the lightest work. The lightest deck is what I'm practicing with now, and it's very challenging. The work is so light I can't detect visually by looking at a single prepared card. If all the prepared cards with the same value are next to each other in the deck, it could be noticed depending on the light and the angle, if you knew what to look for. I have noticed though that if I gently rub my finger tip along the long edge of a prepared card, the feel of the card changes noticeably where the work is put in.

I've been a bit lax with practicing using n-strippers in the last few months and I'm out of stroke. It seems the key to success is a gentle, but even vertical pressure from the fingers along the long edge of the deck, and pulling the card directly out. Not up or down and not forward or backward, directly out.

I usually manage to pull 3 of 4, missing most often when the card are at the top, second or third from top or near the bottom. I have some trouble determining by feel if I get three or four sometimes too.

I think the concept is really cool, and I can see lot of application for magic and gambling demonstrations, but I'd feel like application would be limited in a actual poker game, even loose amateur games. Nobody would stack four of a kind every time. Beyond putting the work into 7 or 8 cards of the same suit for flushes, I can't see any really viable possibilities. If this genuinely has been used in real games, I'd imagine it would be more for something like single-deck blackjack.
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Chinese playing cards are certainly crap and we have never seen them used in any poker game, despite the fact that we have played in some real dives. We have a couple packs here from Russia and they are even worse.
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Chinese playing cards are certainly crap and we have never seen them used in any poker game, despite the fact that we have played in some real dives. We have a couple packs here from Russia and they are even worse.


As a Chinese who used Chinese decks for many years, I have to agree that Chinese decks are certainly crap.
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@Jason

It was a video + booklet project.



I didn't know about this project, I'd love to learn more about it.
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Thomas Gilroy,

One of the more subtle applications for negative strippers is to use them to "kill" cards. The target cards are stripped out of the deck and up to the top at some point in the shuffling sequence. Then, a very fair final riffle (or two) is executed. This distributes the target cards (let's say, the Aces) in the upper quarter or third of the deck. The deck is then cleanly cut by either the dealer or an opponent and the Aces are cut out of play entirely.

That means that for that hand the King is the new "Ace" (it's the highest ranking card that anyone is going to have). Imagine sitting on a pair of Kings knowing that none of your opponents could possibly have you beaten (and that no Aces will appear on the flop, turn or river). Imagine knowing that your King high flush or straight was the nuts and not having to fear that someone out there had an Ace in their hand. That's a powerful place to be, especially when you consider it could be done dozens of times over the course of an evening.

Change the game to Gin and you've got a similar situation with another strong edge. Imagine stripping and "killing" 4 or 5 of the most useful cards in Gin: the 6s, 7s, and 8s. You know those cards are never going to show up in the hand. You can safely discard by playing "around" those sequences (it's safe to throw the 7H and 8H if you know the 6H is at the bottom of the deck). It's tough for even a good Gin player to beat you if you have information like that on every hand.

Jason
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On Feb 24, 2017, Thomas Gilroy wrote:
I tried putting the work into a few Chinese decks that I bought in a supermarket, but I had little to no success, either due to inexperience with the handling or preparation of the cards, or the poor quality of the decks themselves.

It really depends on which decks you bought.. Or even which supermarket you bought them from.
Never had significant issues with most of the 姚记 decks, although some of them were bad for everything, not just N's. The cards would split if you tried to faro them.
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Hello Jason, thank you for your post.

I hadn't considered that approach, and I can now see the strength of such an application.

With that method, it seems there should be no reason to suspect that the key cards have been gaffed at all. The key cards will still appear on the opponents' deals.
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