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Artie Fufkin
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I think you may have misunderstood my post Arnold.

I was making reference only to what you're both doing, not how you've each chosen to do it.

I do suspect that you're correct when you note that the likelihood of your work being bootlegged widely is negligible when compared to a video released on a major online magic store.

If anything, I would propose that, in fact, the major difference between your two projects is that yours is designed for experts, whereas Jason's is designed for beginners.

While not a point that was specifically relevant to what I was writing above, I will certainly give you that there is, as you noted, a large difference between 125 books and what may amount to possibly many thousands of online downloads.
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OK, no worries.
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AMcD, you mentioned stacking with very fine work.....WOW, I'm impressed. I suspect that you would be stacking to the bottom of a deck.
Still sounds difficult with such fine work.

Hopefully, you will have some ideas which are a little easier to execute Smile

As you said, the real secret is to know HOW to use then to the performers advantage is the real secret ... especially in relation to specific games.

I look forward to what you decide to publish !
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Not much use though as sharp eyed players can spot fine work under a genuine 40 watt bulb.
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On May 14, 2015, Cagliostro wrote:


From distant memory, there was a type work called "Sturgid" or something like that (I'm not entirely sure) back in the early or mid-nineteen hundreds. Perhaps one of the historians on this BB can clarify this.


Cag, the reference is "Turgid".

One side of the card "buffed", the pulp removed from within, leaving the card soft at the location where the work was put in.

The author notes that although this work is invisible from above (the back of the card), it's quite noticeable from the side or end of the card ... at least until the deck is worn, at which point it becomes (presumably) noticeable only by touch.

Noted further is that the work is normally put in on a Bee #67, and further, Johnson (who was a cop) - describes the work as "junk", and goes on to say you, the reader, should as well.

BTW, mentioning The Open Book ... my personal favorite item in that particular book is how to make suction dice that don't require any physical modification. I've tried it as per Johnson's notes, and it works as well as any percentage gaff. This is a great read for your history bookshelf.
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On May 23, 2015, Artie Fufkin wrote:
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On May 14, 2015, Cagliostro wrote:


From distant memory, there was a type work called "Sturgid" or something like that (I'm not entirely sure) back in the early or mid-nineteen hundreds. Perhaps one of the historians on this BB can clarify this.


Cag, the reference is "Turgid"...


Thanks for the clarification. I sold almost all my books a few years ago and I was relating that type work going back 40 years or so from memory. I was trying to give the BB reader some reference to the newer type work I was indirectly describing which was not marked card work.

You may be giving Jason England a run for the money as far as being the BB historian. Oh well, maybe two historians are better then one.

By the way, when I was a teenager, I picked up some good info from the Open Book. In fact, in the back or the book as I recall, if someone sent Johnson one or two dollars, he would send a description of a marked card work not described in the book, how to make it and with samples included. I sent away my dollar or two and he sent back a description of "Scratch" work with samples. So as kid, that was my first exposure to scratch work. Of course, back at that time one or two dollars was worth something.

I should also mention, as old as scratch work was, when the shoes first came out in Vegas, a tremendous amount of money was made beating the house with scratch. When the work was finally nailed, most of the half-smarts said they never would have been fooled by it, even though these were they guys who were fooled. I know that for a fact because I was there (indirectly of course.) Smile
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That’s a shame. If only you had been their directly, then perhaps you wouldn’t have needed to sell your books. Smile
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So, even though I am familiar with it, I grabbed the download for Jason. I haven't received the decks yet that come with the product so I can't tell you the difference between the advanced and beginner deck.
Jason goes over a the basics of how to pull, how to make them and a bit of history.
The Lassen n stripper rig and the Dr X devices are also shown. Combination stripper decks are also discussed towards the end. Overall the techniques are fairly basic level n stripper stuff (as Jason has said previously). It's a good little bit of revision. If you haven't seen n stripper work before then highly recommended, if you do use n strippers (like I do) then it's a good bit of revision.
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Thank you Bobbycash for your purchase - you didn't need to do that.

I hope that I've been clear that this product is aimed squarely at beginners looking for a new tool they were previously unaware of. It was not designed or intended for other experts, as they typically don't need the help in the first place.

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Jason,
I agree whole heartedly that the advertising and you have been fair and clear in that the product is aimed at beginners. Truth is I try and support everyone here at the gambling spot, have always been rewarded for it (special shot out here to Arnold's booklets which have been phenomenal).
It's a great product and I would recommend it to any beginner (and I have met a couple of people here in Australia that I will recommend it to).
(Well recommended if that are that way inclined)
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Fully agree with Bobbycash.

Nicely produced, nicely taught.

Enjoyed seeing footage of the the Lassen machine in use, I've never had that opportunity. Hadn't come across the first machine shown before either, do you have a name for that, Jason?

Also fun seeing the combo strippers. I doubted it when I first read about it, so it was really cool to see it done for real.

Absolutely recommended, especially if you haven't come across Ns before, or are in my position of having learned through vague references and experimentation. Good work Jason!

Best wishes to all,

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A question on Ns - is there any chance of the work being but in during play, with a variation on the knockoff stick perhaps?

Clearly this would require the ability to pull very fine work, and would take some time, but I wonder if anyone's ever played with this?

Best wishes,

Ross.
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Yes.
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Very nice product by Jason England. Can't wait to get AMcD's now...
Clearly a must-buy.
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I should add to my quick review earlier that in terms of applications, controls to the top and bottom are discussed.
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Ross,

I've actually seen someone do exactly that in a magic situation, not a gambling one. He stole a single card, hit it a few times and then got it back in all without the owner of the deck suspecting a thing.

I don't have the fine touch necessary to do this, but judging from his videos Arnold certainly does and this other guy certainly does. I have no problems believing that it could be done over the course of a game rather easily.

Jason
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Thank you both, Jason and Arnold.

Sounds like a very long-term pursuit, but one which opens up some serious possibilities.

Guess I better start refining my touch.

Best wishes to all,

Ross.
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I still remember when I first figured out the technique from a post on the Café. Someone wanted to show off that they were in on the underground club too much and dropped a reference that led me to toy around and figure it out. I found out that I was decades late anyway, what with it being published more than once already by that time.

Jason, you mentioned 2 other videos (from people other than you) on the technique in the pipeline -- any chance for more detail? Not that I want to take away from your video, but it's always nice to get different perspectives too. At any rate, I'm watching yours now and it's unsurprisingly solid like all your publications so far. Looking forward to seeing what the decks are like, in the meantime the Dr. X jig will have to do...
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