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After watching Jason's video, I tried pulling the Aces. Pretty weird technique. At first I thought my Aces weren't cut properly because I totally missed. But then sometimes I could grab them. Guess you really have to get the pressures right. I also found that using a moisturizer really helped - but I have very dry hands. Anyway, thanks for the video Jason. I would love to apply this to Jacks or Better (Ortiz), for a quick bypass of the cull. Obviously could be applied to streamline the set-up for lots of effects.
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On Jun 5, 2015, websmith2000 wrote:
I would love to apply this to Jacks or Better .....


I've never played "Jacks or Better", does it use a dealer?
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In less than one month on youtube channels. I can even describe the type of fellow: 16 years old, spotty, probably form Asia continent, already exposing hundreds of secrets... He can make $20 if enough viewers show up.

I take bets.
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Jacks or Better is a gambling themed magic routine developed by Darwin Ortiz where the "dealer" shows how he can use gambling cheat techniques to deal himself the four Jacks but "inadvertently" deals these to other player, then reveals he has the Aces.
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Jacks or Better is a gambling themed magic routine developed by Darwin Ortiz where the "dealer" shows how he can use gambling cheat techniques to deal himself the four Jacks but "inadvertently" deals these to other player, then reveals he has the Aces.


They say that jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them.
....so I won't explain mine.

But I do wonder if N-Strippers can be incorporated into a vent'n'dummy act somehow?
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My apologies for being stunned. I'm so gullible.
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Please tell me, where in print are you aware of a good description of how to pull negative work? Sure, they're mentioned in passing in Poker Protection, and they're shown on Malek's DVD, and Marlo put some stuff on "concave" strippers in Marlo's Magazine Vol 5, and they're briefly described in The Castle Notebooks, but I'd love to know of a print source where the method for pulling them is described in any sort of detailed, helpful way. If you know of one, it's news to me.


In A Grand Expose of the Science of Gambling on page 14, "Hollow's and Rounds," the concept of being able to pull trimmed cards from a square deck is mentioned, with a very brief description of how to do so. These are essentially belly strippers that are in a normal deck, so the technique is the opposite of the modern approach, but the basic concept is there.

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Also, I am of the opinion that figure 34 on page 210 of Poker Protection is labeled incorrectly. The caption reads "Pulling belly strippers" but I believe the photo depicts pulling n-strippers. Do you agree?

Andru
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Also, I am of the opinion that figure 34 on page 210 of Poker Protection is labeled incorrectly. The caption reads "Pulling belly strippers" but I believe the photo depicts pulling n-strippers. Do you agree?

Andru


Good catch.

The hands in the photo are in the wrong position to "pull" either belly-out or belly-in strippers.
Confirming that statement, there are no cards protruding from either end of the deck, which would have to indicate that this photo indeed represents the beginning of the move.

If this is the beginning of the move, and the strippers are being "pulled" as indicated, then the only type of stripper that could be pulled in this case would be some form of n-stripper, with the work put in very close to the end of the deck, located where the model in the photo is gripping deck.

BUT ... perhaps this is one of those small "hidden gems" that authors like to put into their books, in that this photo might indeed represent the the beginning of a extremely rare, little known move, with the model in this case bringing his hands together in order to execute the move.
(I'm only half kidding, if I'm kidding at all.)

... but far more likely is that the author was just being obtuse, showing a photo with the model pulling n-strippers, while referencing them in the photo-text as "belly strippers" ... a statement that technically is quite correct, with the n-stripper clearly a derivative form of the belly-in. This line of thinking would be reinforced by the fact that our author is a chap who would be highly unlikely to make such a verbiage error when discussing (writing) about stripped cards in general.
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Errors in books are not always the fault of the author.
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Agree completely Andru.

I was noting that even if figure #34 in Poker Protection does represent n-strippers, the text isn't actually wrong, as n-Strippers are a sub-set of belly work in general.

Either way, good catch.
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Guys,

I was actually at that photo shoot. Those pictures were taken in Bill Taylor's house in California. I think you're reading too much into a photo that was designed only to expose the basic concept of pulling belly strippers.

In other words, the right hand in that photo is purposefully out of position so that the camera could actually see the protruding cards. If the right hand was where it "should" be to pull bellies or negs, you would be looking at the back of a thumb.

Jason
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In A Grand Expose of the Science of Gambling on page 14, "Hollow's and Rounds," the concept of being able to pull trimmed cards from a square deck is mentioned, with a very brief description of how to do so. These are essentially belly strippers that are in a normal deck, so the technique is the opposite of the modern approach, but the basic concept is there.
Andru


In my copy that information is on p. 17.

Jason
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Jason,

Thank you for the information about that photo. I've wondered about it for a few years now.

My copy of A Grand Expose is the Magicana reprint. The "Hollows and Rounds" section starts on page 14 and ends on page 17.

Andru
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I suspect Jason's copy isn't the Magicana reprint Smile
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Artie,

You are correct. I didn't mean to leave out the Smile that would have communicated that a little better.

Jason
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Greetings from Finland!

It's a shame that this secret has been exposed, at least I am glad that comes from Jason and not from some fancy new cool supermodern magician.

I hope that this fever goes by and we can keep working quietly.

Arnorld's coming booklet will be really interesting, I hope to get a copy.
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Greetings from Finland!

[...] at least I am glad that comes from Jason and not from some fancy new cool supermodern magician. [...]


Despite my supposed high IQ and that philosophizing side of me, it's something I have difficulties to understand. In fact, I just can't. What difference does it make? Why would Jason, Gary and co be allowed to expose, unveil and why others should not be granted that right?

I have respect for Jason, but his motivation about his last video sounds really "thin" to me. If I understand well, he did it because someone else what about to do it? Well...
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Nobody "owns" the secret to n-strippers, and nobody has to ask permission to talk about them, or explain to the public why they chose to tip the work (unless they choose to do so).

Tipping gambling secrets (for money) to magicians is a fine old tradition, and nobody really needs any more motivation than to put some extra scratch in their pockets.

As to why certain folks are given a pass when it comes to tipping information, I suspect it has to do with their overall personality (online and in person), and whether they're seen as a positive contributor to helping establish and pass along information related to gambling, cheating, hustling, etc.

Jason has a long history of contributing LOTS of high quality information to those interested in the subject matter, with this n-stripper video looking nothing like a "cash grab", and more like a continuation of his efforts to spread the knowledge.

I would say you've received very little push-back about releasing your pending booklet Arnold, indicating that you're viewed as not in it for the money as well, but rather your efforts are to get the information out there, and establish yourself as an author on the subject matter.

First to market is a fine old tradition as well. He who gets his product on the shelves first, usually enjoys higher sales and lots of initial press (which tends to spike even more sales).

It's all working just as it should, and now that n-strippers are out of the bag in a big way, we can all quite worrying ourselves about the possibility that some magician somewhere might know what they are ... ---- Pro-Tip, everybody knows what n-strippers are now, and everybody will be working to establish exactly what they can do with them.
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[...]I would say you've received very little push-back about releasing your pending booklet Arnold, indicating that you're viewed as not in it for the money as well, but rather your efforts are to get the information out there, and establish yourself as an author on the subject matter.[...]


Not 100% exact, I don't do that for fame or glory. As said many times before, I started that series because I couldn't find what I needed. They are books the way I would have enjoyed to find some. That's the first motivation. But as you don't have any, I'm afraid you can't "feel" why I started.

That said, I'm not sure you understood what I meant above. But maybe you are not fully aware about the underground war in Magic. X or Y getting nuts because Z is releasing something. X and Y being "allowed" because they are someone, or have an established name. Lemme me illustrate, just a small example. When I said on Facebook what my next booklet will be, about a dozen of great names of Magic busted me out of their friend list. Right away. But when X announces his next thing, the same people go with "brilliant, genius, excellent, at last!". Do you get the idea Smile?
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