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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Regardless, everyone will use the fruits of the scientific method, technology.
Science deniers use the Internet and computers frequently. Case in point, this thread.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On May 20, 2015, tommy wrote: Does reality exist in philosophy? |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
It seems to me that anyone who wants to know what scientists mean by the word "theory" should look at the queen of the sciences: mathematics.
number theory ring theory measure theory Galois theory homology theory probability theory knot theory cohomology theory field theory homotopy theory and on and on . . . . |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 20, 2015, R.S. wrote: Triangulate?!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts |
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On May 20, 2015, rockwall wrote: I'm not so sure about that. Heck, despite the fact that there is ZERO effort by scientists to force churches to teach science, many religious folks claim there is an ongoing "War on Christianity" in this country. And every year during Christmas time, one particular news channel dedicates a good portion of it's time to cover a supposed "war on Christmas". I can understand why you might think that though. A lot of religious people feel threatened by facts. Ron
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Indeed! Ron
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On May 20, 2015, Steven Keyl wrote: Philosphers get the left-overs? I'm not sure Socrates would agree. But, you know, he drank the hemlock, and you and I haven't had to do that yet. |
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
Maybe science deals with the unknown while philosophy deals with the unknowable.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3171 Posts |
What does science think about church? A published NY Times article said this; “one of the most striking scientific discoveries about religion in
recent years is that going to church weekly is good for you. Religious attendance — at least, religiosity — boosts the immune system and decreases blood pressure. It may add as much as two to three years to your life. The reason for this is not entirely clear.” The article went on to say: “And we know that social support is directly tied to better health. Certainly many churchgoers struggle with behaviors they would like to change, but on average, regular church attendees drink less, smoke less, use fewer recreational drugs and are less sexually promiscuous than others.” http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinio......tml?_r=0 Tom
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Most scientists would probably say that a correlation isn't causative. In other words, people that go to church are often the same types of people that drink less, smoke less, don't use drugs, etc. That fact alone means that church-goers will possess stronger immune systems because in general, they participate less in activities that would compromise their immune systems. It does NOT mean that going to church alone will strengthen your immune system and reduce your blood pressure.
The social aspect of church, though, is an important component to the equation. If your primary social group is in church where you can be amongst like-minded people, that can certainly provide a health benefit. But in that regard, church would be no different than a group of Civil War re-enactors, RC airplane enthusiasts, ceramic cat collectors, etc. If you create a support network of like-minded people (whatever the focus) there are substantive health benefits to be gained. This has been shown in study after study. Per Wikipedia: Quote:
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, R.S. wrote: And what makes you think I'm a religious person? (I think the fact that you DO, doesn't reflect well on your critical thinking skills!) |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, R.S. wrote: You wouldn't be the best informed to make a generalization like that. Based on your clear contempt, you don't seem the type that would condescend to speak to a person of faith so how would you know what they believe? In my own experience, science and the media spend a disproportionate amount of energy arguing with biblical literalists, whereas the overwhelming majority of theists aren't anti-science and in fact, fully embrace the value of science and technology in our lives.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, Steven Keyl wrote: I'm a theist and a mathematician. You can't get more scientific than that. In Ron's defense, he and I speak often; he's been nothing but a gentleman. |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Thanks for the info, Bill. It's quite possible I took the comment out of its appropriate context and inferred something that wasn't there. If that's the case, my apologies Ron.
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
[quote]On May 21, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
It seems to me that anyone who wants to know what scientists mean by the word "theory" should look at the queen of the sciences: mathematics. I don't think we should be making gay-bashing comments about mathematics |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, The Hermit wrote: I presume that that was an attempt at humor. Needs work. |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, R.S. wrote: I don't think religious people are threatened by facts. You don't have to believe in young earth to be religious. The war on Christianity is real from a governmental intrusion. Let's look at Obamacare and birth control. The whole point of religious freedom is the idea that the state will not interfere with beliefs and make the people subscribe to religious ideas that they don't agree with. The more government intrudes into peoples lives, it will eventually pit itself against religion. Also, atheists and others are going out of their way to remove religious symbols from the public. I don't know if this is right or not. Our heritage in this country is interwoven with Judeo-Christian culture. It doesn't mean we were always a Christian nation. It does mean that heritage informed and drove our institutions and community values. Why can't Intelligent Design theory be taught along with Evolutionary Theory. They're both theories. Let the students decide for themselves what makes sense. ID is agnostic to a degree - I think. Also no one has a hold on 'facts' Neither the layman or scientist. Facts change with knowledge. |
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
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On May 20, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Just my support. If you'd like, I can rescind it. |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, Steven Keyl wrote: In context, I was responding (in a tit-for-tat fashion) to Rockwall's unnecessarily derisive comment: Quote:
I can understand why you might think that though. A lot of ignorant people think that people that go to church don't believe in science. His baseless assumption that I believe that "people that go to church don't believe in science" was unfounded. Anyway, I agree that the majority of theists aren't anti-science and embrace the value of science and technology in our lives. But, there is a segment that is clearly disdainful of science. And the reasons for that would be obvious. Ron
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts |
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On May 21, 2015, S2000magician wrote: Well, I don't know about that, Bill. But thanks. I'll have to say that you though, are the consummate gentleman. Ron
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