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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On May 27, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote: And then they will vote. Are you serious Tony? When they get jobs how does their minimum wage work? Please Tony be sensible.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Whoa whoa. Not every creature with rights has the full slate of human rights. Not even all humans have full citizenship rights.
That animals have some rights that humans will be legally obliged to respect does not imply that they will all have 1. The full set of human rights, or 2. The same subset of rights. Finally some animals could conceivably have rights that humans don't have.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Yea like they can defecate in the streets because they do not know better and never will and are animals. Sorry to be so blunt but you people need a bump on the head to knock some sense into it Of course they should not be tortured. But just what rights are you planning on giving them and why? They are animals. We eat animals. Animals in the wild kill us. Ever try and reason with a great ape if he is upset? My advise would be...don't. And be all means don't give him 2nd amendment rights. I do not believe they will practice safe firearms handling. Just posting this to show how silly of an arguement some of you are proposing. Again I am all for not torturing any animal. However I feel that when one has a right, one must understand that right and I do not feel that any animal has that capability.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Let's start with the right not to be tortured. See, we agree on a first step.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
I say, all ‘pets’ should be treated with kindness; others should be treated with caution.
Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, acesover wrote: Glad to see that you agree that animals have the right not to be tortured. But your statement that one must understand a right in order to have it is nonsense. It's also rather surprising coming from a strident "right to life" advocate like yourself. I'm pretty sure that zygotes and fetuses don't understand the rights that you claim they have. At least TRY to be consistent. . |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, acesover wrote: And people say that nobody ever changes his or her mind on abortion! This criterion, of course, eradicates rights for fetuses. Additionally, it takes away most or all rights for infants and the severely mentally retarded (apologies to the PC; I stopped buying the DSM after the 4th edition).
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Apparently, Bob types faster than I do.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, acesover wrote: Some of us eat animals, anyway.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think we both spotted that glaring inconsistency at the same time, Lobo. I used to love when adverse witnesses would make statements like that in court. The cross-examination virtually writes itself.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: FTFY |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, S2000magician wrote: I feel so southern!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
A short sketch:
POLICE OFFICER ACES (to arrested SUSPECT}: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights as I've explained them to you?" SUSPECT: (gives a long blank stare before speaking): No. What are you talking about? I don't understand." POLICE OFFICER ACES: "Well if you don't understand them, you don't have them. Turn around and bend over." The End (copyright 2015 by Doctor Crow. All rights reserved. Performance rights may be purchased from the author.) |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Office Aces?
Lmfao!!
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Fast-forwarding the discussion:
Aces: Ok, awareness isn't the criterion, but human beings, even those who are not aware, have sous, and animals don't. Various: Human beings don't have souls. Various others: Yes they do. Various: No they don't. Various others: Yes they do. Various: You're making a claim, so you have to prove it. Various others: No I don't. Besides, you're making a claim, too, so you have to prove it, too. Various: No I'm not. Various others: Yes you are. Lobo: You know, it's pointless to argue about whether or not human beings have souls, because it can't be proven. Time to agree to disagree. Magnus: Logical positivism has been refuted.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You forgot the last line:
Bob: Turn around and bend over. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 29, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: That's the line for the feminists to give the female lawyer who doesn't want kids (see yearbook thread).
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yes, it would fit there, but it was really just a gratuitous callback to the "sketch" I wrote a few posts back.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Hey, I'm all about the gratuitous callbacks.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts |
Too bad the indigenous folks in the world (like our native americans) didn't receive as much thought and consideration.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/
John
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