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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2004-02-16 11:55, rsummer27 wrote: I can't believe this. I am actually in TOTAL agreement with a clown evlish: |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2004-02-15 04:03, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Kind of sums it up for me. I don't do rigged deck stuff. It simply takes the question out of play. I also have found though that if they shuffle the cards or handle the props at the beginning, they simply won't want or need to do it later. Also good scripting and routining will stop the problem also.
Danny Doyle
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steve ehlers Loyal user Tucson AZ 287 Posts |
Ben,
I'm not really in favor of most of the answers you have received here. My recommendation to you is to learn sleight of hand. If you learn sleight of hand it will not let you down. You can allow people to examine your cards without worry. I would also encourage you to learn a couple of flourishes. Like a one hand shuffle, fan shuffles, one hand cuts, etc. I know there are different theories about performing flourishes but if you perform a couple of flourishes at the start of your routine people will be able to see that you have more skill than they do or their friends and that in itself might eliminate thoughts of gimmicked cards. I'm not suggesting you do a bunch of flourishes but just enough to show you have some ability and then the flourishes should be used in the context of a trick. Pete Biro is correct when he says that there are so many great tricks out there that can be done without gimmicked cards that in most cases you won't need them. Best of luck. Steve |
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
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On 2006-04-13 20:15, steve ehlers wrote: With all due respect, this is not a suitable answer. Are you going to tell this to Ricky Jay about his Queens Assembly or tell it to Don Alan about his Invisible Deck? Or Larry Jennings about his Close-up Illusion? I am a great believer and practitioner of pure sleight-of hand but there are some astonishing effects with gaffs that I enjoy too much to consign them to the waste bin. One of my favorites is Seven Card Monte from Garcia's Wild card book. Try that one without gaffs. Best regards, Glenn Godsey |
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late night diner Regular user 120 Posts |
Adam Hince touched on one above, by Kenton, that I use all the time, especially if someone wants to shuffle the cards.
"You could, but it's already too late". |
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DNshade New user 94 Posts |
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On 2006-04-13 22:41, Glenn Godsey wrote: Actually I believe what Steve and Pete were talking baout was that by learing to do sleight of hand - and non gimicked stuff, the spectators don't even think about the cards being the answer. That thought should be put out of their mind a few seconds after you pick up the deck...I use gaffs, etc too, but never even think about the spectaors picking them up or examining them. All attitude- and the fact that you have the chops to back it up. You have to learn to walk before you can run young padawan... D
Damian Nieman
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Lofty Regular user Toronto, Canada 128 Posts |
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On 2004-02-14 21:01, HighVolt29 wrote: you can let them - but control the situation. If they handle the cards from the beginning - they wont suspect anyhing. Get the to shuffle the pack - you have Double backed so they won't notice. , Have the cut the cards. or Make sure your shuffles are good. Fannng or spreading shows the cards to the spectaters. Lofty |
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nique Special user Singapore 940 Posts |
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If you are using just one card you can always palm off that card and give them the rest of the deck, but chances are that if you're using a double backer you probably can't do an invisible, smooth palm. wouldn't agree with that. but nvm. I try to structure the performance where the gimmicks are snuck in after establishing credentials. U should have an easier time then with people not wanting to examine stuff.
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steve ehlers Loyal user Tucson AZ 287 Posts |
Glenn I certainly understand your comments but if Ben were skilled at sleight of hand and then worked in his gimmicks he probably would not be getting busted. It seems to me that many items that people purchase in magic shops end up being the same type of problem. There is often not much thought as to how they are going to bring in an item nor how they are going to switch it out. If a person works those things out I have not problem with gimmicks.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2006-04-14 21:09, steve ehlers wrote: Steve, The problem isn't that he's not able to switch the gaffs in... It's that something he is doing is causing the spectator's to assume the cards are tricky. If they SUSPECT trick cards you've areadly lost 'em. At that point it doesn't matter if you can prove to them the cards ARE NOT tricky. If that is what they are thinking you have failed to create the proper environment for the audience. My solution is to open by handing someone the pack and asking them to look through it and remove any card they like... and when they have done so to keep the card and show it around. They can "examine" the pack all they want, but I have said NOTHING about examining it, and so have not created an environment of suspicion. And should I need to, I can turn my back while they are showing the card and switch in a whole pack of double backers! Jon is right. Think about what you are saying or doing that makes the assume you are using tricky cards... |
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Mago Gregorio Elite user Paris, France 473 Posts |
The best method I found is to always begin with a strong trick, no gaffed and let it show to spectators. Afterwards, switch deck and nobody will ask a second time...
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Let me ask you this:
Are you pulling them out of a black plastic wallet?
If you're reading this you're my favourite magician.
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
I do agree with Steve Elhers here. When using sleight of hand, it gives the performer a confidence to withstand examination of the deck and spectator shuffling if neccessary. Within such a context, gimmicks can then be switched in and out of the performance as required. This view however, does assume the performer is currently relying too heavily on gimmicks throughout the performance. Within this context any request to examine or shuffle the deck becomes fraught with anxiety and embarrassment. This 'background anxiety' and attitude may partly explain why some in the audience are tuning in and picking up on this. With regard to flourishes however, I think this is very much a matter of personal taste and represents a presentational choice. In my case it fits my particular personality and performance style to be low key in this respect and I rarely get asked to simply 'hand over the deck' which is a shame really as I would willingly do so in many cases.
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JoeFreedom Regular user 164 Posts |
I agree with Frank,wsduncan, Mago et. al. Start with ungaffed magic, doesn't have to be sleight of hand, Chicago Suprise, OOTW etc., suffice. Pocket the deck, do something else ( eg., coin magic ) ring in a cooler like an ID & you have preemptively removed any possible suspicion. Or you can say " sure. as soon as you show me your checkbook & investment portfolio...
Joe
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EvanSparts Veteran user Michigan 333 Posts |
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On 2004-02-16 11:55, rsummer27 wrote: I just highly disagreee with this!! If you say this they automaticalyy assume fake or trick deck even if they don't say it. I believe that if the effect is structured right they wont even ask. But if they do definatly don't say no. I guess that why I don't use gaff decks except one that is examinable (I wont say which one but its great). |
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Ron Giesecke Special user Redding, Ca. 947 Posts |
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On 2004-02-16 11:02, gkfreed wrote: Wow. Talk about verbal Judo. That's as close to perfect as you can get. |
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
If you have gaffs, why not have them palmed like I have seen Bill Malone does or use another method.
I did a show where I let the spectators shuffle a mini deck. I let them examine and shuffle a normal sized blue deck, showed them the case totally empty. From this, I performed my version of "parallel worlds" by Sankey (where they see a blue card inside the case) and then snow storm. |
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Bob Sheets gave a fabulous lecture to our magic club recently (Conjurors' Corner in Roselle, IL), and after a card trick someone asked him that question. He demonstrated. A spec asked, he said "Sure" extended his hand with the deck towards the spec, and then as they were reaching for it, immediately withdrew his hand and said, "But not today." Got a great laugh. (sort of like a classic force in reverse) Then he added with a sarcastic tone (fitting his persona), "It's not always about you, is it?" I think he added that he doesn't always toss in that second line.
I was initially sceptical (I don't have the streetwise persona Bob Sheets has), but I have tried it and it worked great, big laugh. I think often the type of person who asks to see the cards is a bit of a wise guy, and a wise guy kind of response, delivered with the right touch, can get a laugh and allow everyone to move on. Anyway, it certainly seems to work for Bob Sheets. kerpa a/k/a Michael Miller Chicago area
Michael Miller
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
Ask to examine their goods....
Causing trouble, :devilish: Posted: Apr 19, 2006 3:08pm --------------------------------------------- What was I thinking? There are impressionable children on here. Don't do it. Seriously, go with what gkfreed suggested.
Michael J.
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
I knew someone who would glue an entire deck together and hand it out for examination and state, please examine this and we'll use this deck!
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