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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1768 Posts 
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About a half-dozen occasions in my life I've "needed" to look like I didn't know one end of a deck of cards from another. My solution? Shuffle (overhand), cut and deal like a lefty.
Worked like a charm. Jason PS: On two of those occasions someone tried to teach me a tabled riffle shuffle. I did what was essentially an in-the-hands riffle shuffle (which I almost never do in my regular card work and am therefore not particularly adept at) and an in-the-hands bridge but at table-top level and without flashing any cards. They were happy.
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2015, Cagliostro wrote: Not at all Cag, I got your point and didn't see it as an attack on Forte's card handling at all. My point is that using Forte as the example may not be the strongest way to make what is otherwise an important point. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 23, 2015, JasonEngland wrote: Sounds interesting. If you teach that technique in one of your Foundation Series, I would be interested in purchasing. 
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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I think it is wrong to think of the normal procedure of the game as the one going on in your particular game. What happens when a regular poker player at the casino comes along to your Wild West game and asks what do you think you are doing? The normal procedures of the game are really those of the casinos of the time and the place. Poker players are not normally happy with anything less than casino procedures. One will find poker players policing the game even in the casinos.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3080 Posts
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Zillions of Poker players have never put a single foot in a casino.
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Banedon New user 74 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2015, AMcD wrote: Reliable precision over speed has always been a higher priority - but that is just me. In amateur games trying to machine gun all around the table usually gets that person's deal taken away from him because he almost always flips cards while doing it. Playing with pros the experiences have been quite varied - but the rest of the table generally does not appreciate the gunner's attempts (successful or not). The cited situation of people knowing you is a good point. When people know you - it is important to be consistent so as not to arrouse suspicion (deserved or undeserved). Anything that is not your usual method is likely to be called into question by even the most forgiving and unobservant person. The concept of being so aware and in control of this as to be able to use this for bluffing, manipulation, and misdirection is a significantly more complex topic, though. One does not always play in "regular" games. In the "irregular" situations, it is important to develop the skill of quickly learning what is the "norm" for that group is so as to take advantage of it. We explicitly know this for reading others players (after all, it is a large part of the actual game being played) but sometimes we (certainly this is true for myself) need to be reminded that the same goes for ourselves for something even as subtle as our grips, shuffles, and deals so as not to give anyone else a competitive advantage or to single ourselves out for undesired treatment. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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Yes and all of them are here.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 23, 2015, AMcD wrote: In all my years I have never seen anyone put one foot into a casino. Invariably people use both feet when entering a gambling establishment. 
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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It surely costs them an arm and a leg.
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Banedon New user 74 Posts
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On Jun 23, 2015, Cagliostro wrote: At Bill's I played craps at the same table as a guy who only had one leg. Does that count?
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 23, 2015, Banedon wrote: No, obviously it applies only to people with two or more legs. 
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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With regard to fig 1. There should be a gap of about ¾ inch between your middle finger and the front corner of the deck. That would conform to normal procedure in my neck of the woods and also give a space to get to the bottom card. I think in that drawing the hand and deck are out of proportion with one another. Unless you have big hands or a small deck.
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foutriqu1 New user 64 Posts
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Http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27/liv......-857597/
nteresting to see laymen's point of view on all this. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 24, 2015, tommy wrote: You make a good point on this but there are other ways to look at this grip and how the bottome card could be dealt. First of all, as I remember Giorgio had large hands. Secondly, having seen Nieman perform his bottom deal on the SHADE video (and not having the Fast Company DVD for comparison) and having seen Giorgio do a bottom deal using a Square John grip, I note that both of these men use some form of bottom card push off or release of the bottom card from the deck before they reach in to deal the base. Using this grip as shown one could either push off the bottom cards with the middle finger of the left hand, or preferably squeeze the card off with the same finger prior to the take. It could also be correct for a strike bottom if someone were to pull the bottom card off between the middle and ring fingers of the left hand. So there are different possibilities here. Since greater certainty is achieved by pushing off or releasing that bottom card first with the left hand finger before taking with the right that would be my preference. Of course, as I mentioned before when doing a demo with a new deck it is less necessary to push off the bottom card first. In fact it is not necessary at all but it becomes more dangerous to do a strike bottom under fire or with a sticky or worn deck. |
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 608 Posts
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There was something about Tony's hands that was kind of magic in itself. his DVD on hand mucking is one of my favorites, but it was clear that he was also a product of a time when draw poker horse and seven stud games were more common and the average player had more of a reason to be touching more cards than they do in the modern world of hold 'em and nothing else.
Not that that has anything to do with bottom dealing, just something Mr. Cagliostro's comments made me think of.
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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The cash game of choice here is Omaha 4/5/6 card dealers choice. The hold 'em game is either small stakes or comps. I agree though that is was different when draw poker and stud were the games.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3080 Posts
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Omaha 6 cards? What's that? You are dealt 6 hole cards?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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Yes. If there are enough cards to go around and it's your deal, then you can call for 4 or 5 or 6 hole cards. Sometimes there is too many players to have 6. You see?
You "must" use two cards to make your hand. In Hold'em you can use either 1 or 2.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jul 4, 2015, tommy wrote: Actually in Hold'em you can play the five card board and not use your hole cards at all. For example, a five card flush, straight, full house and so on. Is it different on your side of the pond? |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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Yes of course one can play the board in Hold'em. No, no difference.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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