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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The Old U.F. Grant "Light and Heavy Glass" is still available, it is made in Europe by a manufacturing company. They call it "Hypno Glass". It is a simple trick, where, as grant sold it, a small 3"x3" painted board, was shown, then a glass and finally a handkerchief. The board was held in the magician's hand, then a 12 oz. glass was placed on the board, then a nice fancy cloth was shown and placed over the glass. The cloth hung below the board.
The magician then took hold of the glass through the cloth from above. Lift the glass and place it down again. He can demonstrate this as often as he likes. The magician then offers a spectator to take hold the glass through the cloth and lift it. Pulling upwards, the glass does not leave the board/tray. The person cannot lift the glass off the tray. the magician demonstrates once again and lifts the cloth covered glass very easily. I know I had a weird feeling when this was 1st shown to me, an uncanny trick. Fooled, yes! puzzled, yes! I never bought this trick, for the simple fact, I have never seen (in my minds eye) a way to transmit the feeling and sensation the person on stage experiences of not being able to lift the glass over to a large audience. I know I was totally shocked when Dick Stoner, local magic dealer in my hometown, did it on me. The sensation I felt was weird, kind of a shocking feeling, a what the heck feeling. I am sure those same feeling was very apparent on my face at the time. Make no mistake, this is good trick, but I see it as one on one trick, because of the feeling the spectator feels personally, inside themselves. My dilemma is and always has been, how to transmit those same feeling across to an audience. I do believe both the Grant and the Hypno use the same method. Except with the Hypno, you only receive the glass with your purchase. Anyone have any idea how to convey the feeling of the spectator across the stage barrier and into the minds of the audience? Posted: Jun 16, 2015 04:07 pm I just did an extensive search, and it looks like "Trick Production" is out of business. So I guess this trick is no longer available. To bad, just when I was getting interested again. Although, it is easy to make for one self. |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
Maybe, Abbott's makes glasses for the effect. They make a number of glass effects.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I am sure if Greg Borden cold be convinced to make one, he could, but he does not have any craftsman any longer. I am sure he could do it, but he does not like to go down to the dungeon where the machines are. They do or did have a regular Blue Mist Tumbler made and sold for another purpose that would work.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I have an Abbott plastic (blue mist) tumbler that was gaffed for another use, and, yes, it works just fine.
Toledo Ohio, the "glass city" is not far from Colon, Michigan. Percy, bought things like drinking glasses "locally",and manufactured a number of different prop glasses. He also made a "bowl of water" production that was quite practical. Alan: If this is of interest to you, PM me.
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Wizzard Veteran user 322 Posts |
Bill,
I had mentioned a technique I used in a post a few years back, that caught your eye. I use a stemmed glass and a small tray and a hankerchief. All can be inspected, so your clean. The set up was a large man and a small child or woman, then another one or two to show "the glass could be lifted". Best regards, John
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Wizzard, sorry, I totally don't remember that, sounds good, and interesting. Thinking outside the box for sure, and makes it impromptu as well.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
HI Wiz! I like the stem glass idea!
But, I hope that you didn't forget Houdin's "psychology"!!! He didn't say the box would get heavier. He said that "you" will become as weak as a woman!". The implication was that they would be helpless against the French Army of MEN!
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
It occurs to me that a Solo plastic cup (or similar brand) could have the "necessary" preparation to perform this effect (perhaps reinforcing it by gluing a second cup that has the upper edge trimmed off inside the outer cup , to make double-walled cup which is less flimsy than a single cup ). The same proving move with pouring water in and out could be done .
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I don't see how that is an improvement to the original. Going from clear to opaque glass. Just my opinion.
This trick can be done with a clear large size glass as well. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2015, Bill Hegbli wrote: Y'know , I think you're right about that . The clear glass (or plastic that looks like glass) is better. I wonder about using this : http://www.newrulefx.com/collections/unb......r-bottle (with the necessary preparation). There could be some comedy about "lite" beer . Labels are easy to come by , just soak one off a real bottle and then reapply. Or use one of Nielsen's bottle labels. . |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
That is a good find, it would work. Have to try it out and see. Beer on a tray, that works for common ordinary props. The sexy waitress would be hard to travel with though. LOL
I was just at the local Kroger Grocery Store, picking up the bargains for the week. I was really tempted to buy a huge 32 oz. plastic glass that would be perfect for this this trick. Perfectly clear and a cut design on the sides that I had never seen before. They even had huge matching pitcher. On the expensive side, $12.99 for the glass and $24.00 for the pitcher. Both had very thick sides do to the design. |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
David! Am I understanding your premise?
Houdin never said he would make the chest HEAVY. He said that he would make the man who was going to lift the chest, "weak as a woman".
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2015, Wizzard wrote: I've also used a wine goblet with a stem. The routine generates the same reactions as using a tumbler or even a large vase on a tall bar stool (which I made for a specific program). > If the audience buys the premise.... they are effected by (enjoy) the volunteers reactions more-then marveling at the mechanics. I'm going to coin a new phrase "The theatre outweighs the method" JL - - - - - - - It's similar to Sword Through Neck in this respect: Most everyone over 10 years old knows it's a trick - but the situation and the reactions of the volunteer make the magic. "The theatre outweighs the method"
Jay Leslie
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I know you are speaking of the "Father of Modern Magic" Robert Houdin, but I don't think most know who you were referring to. I also assume you know he performed the Light and Heavy Box trick.
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the Ad Copy from the Grant/Mak Magic Catalog: "LIGHT & HEAVY GLASS This created a small sensation when first introduced at a convention, and has been a big hit every since. A glass tumbler is shown freely and a silk placed in it. The tumbler is set on a book or tray and covered with your pocket handkerchief or a second silk. The audience is challenged to try to lift the tumbler off the book. NO ONE IS ABLE TO LIFT IT! They try and try again with all their strength. Still at your command, the smallest child in he room steps forward and lifts it high in the air! You can work this close-up and surrounded. There are no wires or threads or other gimmicks. Nothing is added or taken away. Just a good miracle of simplicity. You can build a reputation with this and recreate endless talk. It seems incredible until you know the simple secret. Don't let our low, low price fool you. This item is highly recommended and is an excellent buy." So that is the U.F. Grant effect as it was sold. Attached is the catalog drawing of a child lifting the glass, and old man (that is you Dick) that can't lift the glass. LOL That suave guy with mustache, that is me! Click here to view attached image. |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Right Bill!
Contrary to popular rumors floating about, it is not true that Jean Eugene Robert Houdin was my grand pere! Monsieur Houdin was first, a watchmaker. He is the real author of the couplet that is often credited to Alexander Pope. ("Tis with our minds as with our watches, none go just alike, but each believes his own." Houdin bought a book on watch making one day, and the clerk sent, apparently by accident, a book on magic. There weren't many magic dealers in those days (except MARTINKA/HORNMANN/FLOSSO) so Houdin had to make his own STULL watch. He said it would run a year without winding. I wonder how long it would have run if he wound it. I am still using a sun dial, and listening for the bells in St. Joseph's Church when it's cloudy. My sun dial "takes a licking, but keeps on ticking" (maybe it's going to explode!) I know that the "Hop, Skip,and Jump Airline" wont let me carry it on board--they make me put it in the luggage compartment, strapped to the tail of the biplane. The honorable former President of the I BOTHER MAGICIANS ASSOCIATION, Ken Klosterman, kvetched me for years to come and visit his museum of old th*m t*ps, and used hat coils, I finally did, back about '92. (that's 1992, not 1892) I was given the Lincoln Bedroom, and enjoyed the visit. We took the elevator down to the old salt mine under his abode, and I was given "carte blanche" to "play". (I had no TOP IT, so Ken figured he could let me wander at will. I did have to pass through the metal detector as I exited.) I picked up a transparent plastic "cigar box" full of coarse white and somewhat lumpy sand. I asked, "What is it?" Ken said, "That's Al Koran's ashes." I replaced the box on the shelf. I played with Tommy Nelson DOWNS, coin wand. (the one that the theater manager in Europe begged him not to use!) In a corner was a "small trunk". I picked it up to look it over, and Ken said, "That's the "box" that stopped a war!" I realized it was the fabled "Light & Heavy Trunk". It certainly didn't "look" like it wss made by Gen Grant. His props always had "half a coat of paint"! We were already in the "basement", so Ken could not signal the guy in the room below to hook up the wires in the wash tub full of acid. I never got to feel how that "Arab" felt, when he tried to lift it. Incidentally that swayve & deboner guy in the catalog cut, is the late Percy Abbott. He and Gen. Grant patched up their differences and got together for that catalog cut. The old fat guy is actually the late Monk Watson, who always "bought the first one" according to Percy. That cute little kid picking up the glass, is yours truly on his first visit to a magic shop. (I beat Karrell Fox by three days! I just thought that I had better set the record straight! So, there!
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Kune Veteran user 312 Posts |
Could anyone PM me with advice on making a hypno-glass?
For several years now I've tried to order one from a number of magic shops, but every time it's out of stock or indefinitely backordered. |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
This magic shop has some they would like to sell to you.
http://www.thecuckoosnest.com/zencart/ze......_id=4254 This is a real magic store, they sell what they have on the shelves. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2015, Kune wrote: Kune - The link that Bill posted is probably the best source . Denny also lists it in stock for the same price. http://dennymagic.com/store/hypno-glass-trick.html Of course you can keep your eye out for it on eBay . Out of curiosity , I just searched eBay for "Hypno Glass" and for "Light-Heavy Glass" and found someone selling a version of it that was made by Supreme Magic in England. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LIGHT-HEAVY-GLAS......41087104 It's rather over-priced for what it is , imo, (and the shipping from the U.K. makes it even more expensive) but thought you might be interested. . |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2015, Dick Oslund wrote: FWIW I am re-posting my post of June 19. I wonder if anyone read it!!! Magic is 5% sleight of hand skills, 5% esoteric science principles, 5% perceptual illusions, AND EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT P S Y C H O L O G Y. Jean Eugene Robert HOUDIN knew THAT! Houdin "deescalated" a potential WAR. --NOT with a box that "got heavy". He did it with PSYCHOLOGY! Quote:
On Jun 25, 2015, Kune wrote: PM me! I'll sell mine!
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Houdin was trying to stop a war, but in a magic show, telling someone you are making them weak, might not go over so well. Making someone strong of course, most likely, would be okay.
I am reminded of a trick Don Alan came up with, where you ask a person to think of a card and then name it out loud. They do, and the performer, say he will name his card F-I-D-O, FIDO. Well I tried the trick a number of times and the guy's face sinks, and feels he I being made a fool, or shown up in front of an audience. Tried several way to try to counteract this embarrassment caused by the spectator, but never did "hit the ball out of the park". I see the card trick as sort of the same reaction one will get if the person is told, he is weak. By placing the magical power on the glass, takes it off, what seemingly is directed at the spectator's abilities. Quite different from that Houdin was accomplishing, he was telling the warring parties, he could control the outcome if they go to war. Thus he is stronger then the both of them with his magic powers. As I said in an above post on he inner emotion felt by the person not being able to lift the glass. It is one of none belief. You don't want to make him feel any further doubtful of his abilities. Just some food for thought, on how men would react to telling them they are weaker then woman or a child. Not good, in my opinion. |
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