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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts |
I don't see it as being gullible. I see it as being lied to. There's a difference.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1747 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, Merenkov wrote: Love this! Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
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On Jun 27, 2015, Magic.Maddy wrote: Care to weigh in on this again Maddy? |
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
I'll wait for a few more opinions.
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robd Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, Merenkov wrote: Best post on the thread, right here. |
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Magic.Maddy Inner circle 1861 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, Calvin826 wrote: Of course I'll weigh in again once I receive the product. My estimated arrival date is Monday. |
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Robmonster Elite user 455 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, Calvin826 wrote: What exactly are you hoping for? I doubt Maddy has even received her copy yet. |
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Magic.Maddy Inner circle 1861 Posts |
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On Jul 2, 2015, Robmonster wrote: *clears throat* HIS *Cough Cough* |
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Robmonster Elite user 455 Posts |
Sorry! I know a few Maddy's, all female.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
My dad's name was Courtney.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
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On Jul 2, 2015, Robmonster wrote: Eh- I actually regret posting that. I was rereading the thread, and felt that Maddy's reply to my original post(which,according to Mr. Chessmann, was spot on) was a bit petulant. Having just got back from a business function with a few drinks in me, I thought it would be fun to break b&*@s a little. Apologies, sir- though I stand behind my original posts. |
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robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1747 Posts |
I received an email the other day from Ellusionist telling me the effect was sold out. I was hoping I was going to get my money back because of the negative reaction here.
However, today I received another email from Ellusionist informing the package has been shipped. When I purchased Change I did so with the same mindset used when purchasing stocks: Don't buy them unless you are willing to lose the entire investment. Let's hope it is better than I think it is. Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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mantel Special user 922 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, Dougini wrote: While heavily marketed through the site Sinful isn't an Ellusionist product. Also I would like to thank Ellusionist for entertaining me with the hype for the past two weeks. But its not like it there new thing. They've always done it. Even going as far as boasting they didn't creatively edit the Greek Switch trailer. As they have creatively edited trailers for some of their past products. |
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
I don't care about hype, but I do care about an honest promo video, since that is what I base my purchasing desicion on.
I guess I'll just have to stick with more reputable dealers and creators, but it seems that list is getting smaller and smaller. |
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
Unless the gimmicks don't work as advertised, I don't really see what is deceptive or misleading about the promo video? Sure there are no live performances shown in the promo but there are tons of effects out there that don't show that. The effects themselves are shown as plainly as possible with only one cut. Am I missing something?
Are there live performances on the instructional DVD? |
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Slackerking Special user 613 Posts |
As usual, so much whining. As with all the other "evil empire" companies, I've rarely been burned by Ellusionist products even with their fancy modern trailers and extravagant advertising prose that confuses people so easily around here. No wait, I've never been burned by them or by Lloyd Barnes whose work is always clever and rarely less than interesting. At $6 a gimmick it's worth the gamble to me. Unless they're just terribly made (highly unlikely from Ellusionist), it's quite obvious what they are. Maybe the tech won't be functional in the real world, worth it to me to find out.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On Jul 2, 2015, scott0819 wrote: There are no live performances on the instructional tutorial. Let me address a couple of issues re: "unless the gimmicks don't work as advertised". Yes, they *accomplish* the things you see in the video. However: There are very serious lighting/reflection/angle/spectator height considerations (if you haven't read some of the tests I did with the cards, please do). Let's use the transposing angels as one example. The images are so very sensitive to change that it would be incredibly difficult to find a "starting position" for the effect. Do you want to have the spectator (as in the trailer) first see 1 circle with an angel and the other circle without on angel, and then have that angel move to the other circle? This would be extremely difficult to control, not just because angles must be perfect, but also because angle adjustment will be different with each individual based on spectator height, and you must know that angle for each person (and accounting for angles is MUCH different with this set of effects than with most effects, as we know them)....let alone trying to perform when some are sitting and some are standing. The spec is just as likely to see "half angels" in each circle. This is likely why the effect is taught in the instructional video with no starting point and no ending point as we see in the trailer - it is virtually impossible to have them, even for a single spectator. Lloyd simply produces the card and does the necessary a few times, showing the angels moving back and forth (which, to me, gives away the game) and then puts the card in the deck. Virtually the same thing happens with the Color Changing Card, and for similar reasons (see the tests I did of it and other cards, above). I remember as I watched the video instruction, thinking, "Is this really the best Ellusionist has come up with re: effects for the angels and cc card? Just do the necessary with the card, showing a back-and-forth change, and then sw***h the card?" But it makes sense. So, you cannot really do this effect as it is on the trailer (on video, YES!). I looked at the Color Changing Card in a room with multiple lights, holding the card the same distance and angle from my face, and got the angle where I wanted it. I moved a few feet and the card took on a blackish appearance (see further tests, above on this page). Also (moving to 'better' light), only a very small movement caused the card to change from blue to red. For this reason, it is very difficult to have any certainty that a) the spec will be seeing fully blue or fully red at any time; they may see it half blue and half red. This is why, again, that the effect taught for this on the instructional tutorial is simply to make the card change back and forth a few times and then sw***h it out.... Now, I feel that I *can* produce the cc card, hold it 1 foot from someone's face and get it at the correct angle for them to see a single color, and then have it change fully to another color. This is doable. However, it can become very problematic with more distance. I just tried doing the above, holding the cards as far out away from me as I could (about 3 feet), and in 3 different rooms. It was difficult to get a complete transition from blue to red. It was more blue to blue with somewhat of a reddish tint. I tried various angles from the lighting, and did get a decent change, but also had light and reflection difficulties. You can't overstep your action with the card, either, or you'll give the game away. I can be in the same room with the same lighting and see the card as normal, as reflecting light oddly, and as a Crackerjack toy. Management is very problematic, and involves multiple factors. Managing light/reflection with IET is SIMPLE compared to this set, IMHO. Angle considerations and spectator positioning are nothing new to magic, but to me, this set takes them to an entirely new level. Then you add the lighting considerations. So, can the cards do the effects as shown in the trailer? Yes, they can. Can the cards appear normal? Yes, they can. Would I rely on these cards to do these same effects as in the trailer, and look appropriate while doing so? Sometimes meh, sometimes no, sometimes not just no but HECK no. There are so many variables and sabotage points. I sound like I ordered Forrest Gump's box of chocolates.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Jul 2, 2015, Robert M wrote: The thing is that I'm not sure whether it's gullibility or wishful thinking. Even when an item first gets mentioned on these forums some of the questions asked make me wonder whether people are looking for real magic. In fact I tend to know or have a good idea how a trick is done before I buy it. If you go into these things blind and hopeful you're going to get burned. |
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
This sounded a bit muddled, so I'll re-word it.
"So, can the cards accomplish the things shown in the trailer? Yes, they can. Would I rely on these cards to do these same effects as in the trailer, live and in-person? Sometimes meh, sometimes no, sometimes not just no but HECK no. There are so many variables and sabotage points."
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
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On Jun 24, 2015, Lloyd Barnes wrote: If there is some doubt circling about the practicality of these effects, now's the time to release those live performance videos. |
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