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Mister E. Regular user Germany 189 Posts |
Hello everyone!
I'm looking for a method to secretly remove a single card from a five-card packet. Before, I show the packet via Ascanio''s spread as four (face-up) and after the squaring action I need to get rid of the bottom card. I know a side steal or bottom palm would be an obvious method. Can anyone think of different method? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Patrick |
mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
If you're sitting you could gambler's palm it and then lap it.
mlippo |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
If you could re-arrange the packet you could Ascanio spread the five card packet as four, not bothering to remove it.
With an Ovette Master Move you could angle the bottom card and slip it behind your jacket in opening it, your other hand can go into the jacket, grab it and pocket it as you remove something else. With a break above it, add it to the top of the deck as you move the deck out of the way. |
MagicJuggler Inner circle Anchorage, AK 1161 Posts |
In this case a side steal would simply be a bottom palm that is done in the other hand. There are a variety of those that you could do. If you want it in the hand holding the cards a simple bottom palm is great. If you don't want to palm then lapping is your best option. but if you're standing the palms are the better way to go.
Matthew Olsen
I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable. |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
From your description, the process is not clear to me. You Ascanio Spread to show five cards as four cards, then square the cards and want to steal the bottom (back) card? Or do you want to steal the hidden card when you Ascanio Spread?
Hideo Kato |
Mister E. Regular user Germany 189 Posts |
Thank you all who have taken the time to help with your suggestions. Reading Mr. Kato's reply I realized that I didn't provide enough information. So, here it goes:
I love the effect "Now you see it, now you don't" from Royal Road. It's one of the strongest effects I know. However, I never really liked the glide/put one to the top procedure that comes in the middle of the trick.. I'm also a big fan of the "Everywhere and Nowhere"-plot. A couple of weeks ago, I bought Carneycopia and discovered an interesting version of the "Everywhere and Nowhere"-Plot right at the end of the book, that ends with card-on-forhead. That made me think if it wouldn't also be possible to marry "Everywhere and Nowhere" with "Now you see it, now you don't". Concerning my problem: I would do Carney's effect as printed but wouldn't have three but four cards on the table after the misses. I would add the fifth card as described, would show all four cards as the selection (as described) and then would re-assemble the packet so the selection is fourth from the face and I can Ascanio-spread the packet as all different cards. Everything has been an illusion. Now: when I square the packet back up I want to get rid of the lower-most card from the face-up packet, since I want to go into the final phase from "Now you see it, now you don't". This requires that I put four cards face down in a row on the table, but at this point, I'm holding five. I find Paul's idea tempting, to simply add the card back to the top of the deck via a break above it - the break is easily obtained after squaring the Ascanio-spread, I already tried that. Lapping wouldn't certainly work as well, I'm just not always sitting... Is there something else? Thanks for all the suggestions concerning palms and copping. I understand that is a very elegant solution I am just not at the point yet that I totally feel comfortable with that technique. And, since I want the card back to the rest of the deck, it would be great to get it back there directly... Now, I am unsure: The packet is in my right hand, biddle-grip, face-up, thumb-break above the bottom card. The tabled rest of the deck is pretty much in front of me. Would it be okay to just take the deck with right hand, put it out of the way and in this process add the card to the top? I feel this is very obvious... Thanks for your input. |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Thanks for clarifying the situation you need to get rid of one card.
If I perform such effect you explained, I would not get rid of one card, but I would use the extra card to my advantage. When you Ascanio Spread the five cards as four and show the face of the spread, the selected card is second from right in the spread but hidden behind the third card. Now you are showing four indiffernt cards. Holding the spread (fan) face down, ask spectator to choose any number from 1 to 4. If he chose '2', count from right and grab the doubled cards and up-jog them squaring the other cards. Point up-jogged card(s) and say "This is card No.2". Turn left hand to show face of up-jogged card(s) and say "It is not the selected card". Return the cards face down. Now you ask spectator to tell the selected card. Grab the upper end of the double cards with right hand and push the lower card into the packet with left forefinger, and pull out the selected card. Reveal the selected card! If he chose '3', count from left and do same as above. If he chose '1', point the first card from right and say "This is card No.1, I will change this card to the selected card". Square the cards and hold them in dealing position. Pull out the bottom card and say "This is card No.4". Place it face up on the table. Pull out next card from bottom and say "This is card No.3". Place it face up on the tabled card. Pull out next card from bottom and say "This is card No.2". Place it face up on the tabled cards. Now you have two cards as one. Point it (them) and say "This is card No.1". Now ask the name of the selected card. Turn the double cards face up and place them on the tabled cards saying "This is the selected card". If he chose '4', count from left and say "This is card No.4" pointing the rightmost card. Proceed as described in case of '1' but saying "This is card No.1" when you take and show the first card from bottom. Hideo Kato PS If you don't like the above forcing method, you can use Equivouque method described in RRTCM with five cards (one card is being hidden) in hands with a little alteration. |
Mister E. Regular user Germany 189 Posts |
Thank you Hideo! This is a very intriguing approach I wouldn't have thought of. I will try this out! As far as I can tell this could even make the table obsolete. Great! Thank you again!
Patrick |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Another solution is not to add fifth card. You show four cards are all selected cards, then show them as four indifferent cards by Jordan Count. Now you proceed with Equivouque described in RRTCM.
Hideo Kato |
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