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Salazar Magic
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Can we start a list of places to get the cheapest reproductions of 8 x 10 photos?

Here's one:
http://www.abcpictures.com/
1000 for $396

Can you beat it?
Michael Messing
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Hello,

Just a clarification about the photos from ABC Pictures. They print lithographs not true photos. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you understand the differences. (I used to do photography professionally.)

Lithographs are done by a printed process, like getting a brochure printed. They look great, are definitely economical and are the way to go for selling your photos after a show. (David Copperfield uses lithographs, too!)

Now, if you plan on using the photos to submit for newpaper articles or for making a brochure, flyer, etc., then you want a true photograph - processed by a photographic lab.

Lithographs can cause all kinds of problems when trying to be reproduced. Since they are "screened" images, patterns will appear if you try to scan them.

A true photo is a "continuous tone" image and has no screen.

Don't want to get technical here but you should know the differences. My recommendation is to get lithos for selling and true photos for press releases, etc.
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Mike is correct about pictures. However, I always use a picture from ABC for my press releases and I have seen many of the papers that it gets in and they look great. Sure, a true picture would look better but again, I haven't seen a bad press release with using ABC.

Salazar, to add to your question ABC is the only one I have every used. Would love to know if there are any others with prices that could beat ABC, they are pretty cheap.

Ken
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Just a note on Salazar's listed price above...

That price is for 1000 color shots.

He's right you can't beat that!

But if you're looking for black and white, they're 1,000 for $120.00.

12 cents a piece!?!?! They must be out of their minds!!!

Either way - color or B&W, they're the place to go.

Robert Bloor
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Michael Messing
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It isn't likely that you are going to find anyone with a lower price than ABC. They are, to my knowledge, the main company in the US doing lithographs.

The cost for a litho is always going to be much lower than the cost of a true photo. (Black & White photographic paper has silver in it!)

I found one lab on the web that does true photos and they're $65 for 100 black and white photos (plus there's a set-up fee.)
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Well, this may sound crazy, but after I first ordered a batch of 8x10 lithographs from ABC Pictures a few years ago, I thought, I wonder if my local printers can do this, too?

So, I approached them, and had them make a screened original of my colour 8x10, and printed my own black and white photos ("lithos") at my printers. We printed them onto glossy white card stock, and trimmed them to 8x10. I couldn't tell the difference between what was done at my printers and what ABC Pictures did for me.

Because I have a working relationship with my printers, I knew about the quality to expect. I have worked with other printers, whose work arrived all faded. So, as has been said before, work with a printer you know and trust.

As for the cost, it was less to go with my local printers, comparing with the U.S. exchange and duty and GST, etc. So, for lithos, I'll look to my printers.

For true photos, I'd look elsewhere.

- The Gr8 DonaldD.
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Hello The Gr8 DonaldD,

Since I'm kind of a picky guy (most people say "anal"), I suspect the photos you have are actually printed using an offset printer rather than a lithograph printer. If I'm not mistaken, there are very few places that do lithographs.

It's not a matter of quality difference, it's just a difference in the process.

Michael
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Great discussion here.

I'd like to add that in my experience more than a few places I've sent my promo kit to have specifically requested a geniune 8x10 photo as part of the kit.

To send something less in an effort to save a buck in the cost of your kit? It rings kind amateurish don't you think?

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Scottr,

I've never had (besides media) ask for a "real" photo. Using lithos is nothing short of professional especially given the cost and overall quality.

Frankly if I had someone send me a "real" photo which likely cost $4 or $5 a piece to print, the first thought across my mind would be, "Okay so this guy just throws money away."

BUT - if a potential client did ask specifically for a real photo and not a litho, I'd of course comply.

Robert Bloor
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Robert,

I used to be an entertainment agent, I have worked as photographer/reporter for a newspaper, I have done photography professionally and now am a full-time magician. The best way to handle your photo needs is to use lithos for give-aways and for selling to fans and have real photos for reproduction purposes.

I'm not saying that you need 1,000 true photos. On the contrary, you should have enough to use for press releases, advertisements, brochures, etc. (In most cases, you'll receive your original back when done - except for press releases.)

It's not the client who is going to ask for a real photo. It's the newspaper or your printer.

I haven't had lithos in a while but when I did, I had 1,000 black and white lithos and 25 true photos. I sent lithos with promotional kits and sold them after the fundraising shows I did.

If a client told me they were going to use my photo in an ad or brochure, I made sure he got a real photo. A good printer can work with a litho, but they don't really like to. It takes time to make sure the pattern doesn't show up.

Newspapers really don't like lithos. It slows them down too much if they have to make adjustments when they scan the photo. It could be the difference between them using your photo or not.

There is, of course, one other alternative today. That's digital photos. Most of my press releases and all of my promotional work is done electronically today. I e-mail press releases, along with a digital photo.

Since I usually create my own flyers and ads, I bring them to the printer in electronic form and they don't have to scan anything.

If you decide to use electronic photos, just make sure you know what specifications the printer needs. (In other words, what file formats they accept and what resolution the image needs to be.)

Michael

P.S. Black & White 8x10s in quantity don't cost anywhere near $4 or $5 a piece. The company I found on the web wanted $.65 per photo for a quantity of 100 8x10 black and whites.
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Hey folks,

Another option is http://www.nrsprinting.com/ NRS Publicity Printing. I went with them for my promo shots because they do a "composite photo" where two or three smaller photos can be oriented over a larger headshot. They are great for kits because the client gets a headshot AND some shots of your act on the same photo.

Of course, I have separate shots of those pictures for newspaper, press releases, etc...

Sincerely,
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On 2004-02-17 19:42, Magicmikey wrote:
I suspect the photos you have are actually printed using an offset printer rather than a lithograph printer. If I'm not mistaken, there are very few places that do lithographs.

It's not a matter of quality difference, it's just a difference in the process.


I am sure you are right, you seem to be more educated about these products.

As you said it didn't make a difference in the quality.

And, it impacted my customers in the same way as lithos, without the same financial cost and time factors.

- The Gr8 DonaldD.
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I guess I don't understand all the efforts and suggestions made to avoid "financial cost and time" in your promo kit.

If making up a single kit costs you $100.00, but results in a contact and contract that has you working for thousands of dollars, for years to come, wouldn't you see that as being a wonderful investment?

Scott
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It's not guaranteed you would get that contract. And I bet that it wouldn't matter if you send a litho or a real photo. If you're the right one for the job, you're the right one for the job. Because, ultimately, the show should sell itself.

The booker wouldn't say, "You know, he had a great act, and I would have hired him if he had only sent a real photo intead on this cheaper lithograph"
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Very true... but for some uptight bookers, a litho and a real photo may be as different as a litho and a home-printed picture from your deskjet.
I personally think Lithographs are a good way to go but in all honesty, somebody may think its not as professional as an honest photo because its seen as more professional. And bookers WILL look at that.

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Salazar Magic
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I still think lithos are an industry standard.
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Salazar I think is right on with lithos as the industry standard.

Robert Bloor
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I think there is a direct connection between cheaply produced, amateurish looking promo kits, and an entertainment director looking for a way to whittle down the piles of materials they receive each day.

I don't just stop at a real 8x10; sometimes I'll include a custom embroidered hat with my logo.

I chalk up the expense of professionally design material, be that a web page or promo kit, money well spent.

Scott
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Scott, I believe your words are slightly harsh at BEST.
When you are sending out a hundred kits a month, than I can see one's desire to attempt to save where one can. I personally think an embroidered hat to anyone who asks for a press kit is going a bit far, but that is neither here nor there.

The point in all this comes to evaluating your audience. I think the idea of selling Lithographs at shows is an excellent idea and a good way to make yourself into a household name (in at least the households that have your signed picture in a frame on their wall). I also think a performer should have 8x10s made up for press kits that are evaluated as necessary. Up-scale clients, newspapers, entertainment agencies, etc. but it is ultimately at your discresion and the ability to evaluate one's clientele is what will get a performer work. NOT just a hat and a photo.

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Malak,

What market are you targeting that requires sending hundreds of kits a month?

Scott
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