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Ahahah, yeah, let's bring all the E team to shot a "live performance".. What a shame.
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I don't see the reason for the life performance ... It's done to the E team ...

And , if they really want to do that , they should put in more effort ... Pick a few E guys whom no-one recognizes , and film Lloyd showing IRIS to them and have they yell and shout on the street , that makes it more believable that IRIS works ...
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Live performance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOlm44y0w7U


Well, seeing what I assume are the Ellusionist team whooping and hollering and jumping up and down like incontinent apes sure does explain a lot !!! Smile


Even Brad Christian was there!

I also noted that there was a strong light shining behind Lloyd. Don't recall seeing that in a trick demo before, but since lighting is such a huge thing with "Change," it could turn out to be the same with "Iris".
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Why don't you all go on the appropriate thread (Change) to have this discussion? Honestly it's so tiring hearing the same **** over and over again, like a bunch of whiny five year olds who can't let go of something. If people didn't know better they'd think E had bilked you of your life's savings, not $35 or so.

Any reviews of THIS effect? The one the thread is about.
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Live performance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOlm44y0w7U


Well, seeing what I assume are the Ellusionist team whooping and hollering and jumping up and down like incontinent apes sure does explain a lot !!! Smile


Even Brad Christian was there!

I also noted that there was a strong light shining behind Lloyd. Don't recall seeing that in a trick demo before, but since lighting is such a huge thing with "Change," it could turn out to be the same with "Iris".


I wonder why we never seen the clean up and the card handed out at the end for inspection. "Mmmmm" ???

Now after Seeing that convincing live performance who is going to rush to press the buy button !!!

But I must admit the ellusionist audience team should be nominated for an Oscar award...Woopeee ye...bravo... excellent.
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Hey guys,

Ryan here from marketing at Ellusionist. Thought I'd chime in on this debate.

First of all, aside from Brad & Adam, nobody else in the trailer works for Ellusionist. The majority of faces which you won't recognise are people who requested to come to an Ellusionist filming party, under the guidelines that they were to bring a +1 (at least) lay person to spectate. If any of the guests there at the party are on here, they will absolutely attest to this. Also, Bobby Motta and Mark Calabrese have released with us, but do not work for us nor had they seen this effect before. From time to time, faces of team members in every company will show up in trailers. We all know this. Whether you choose to believe this or not, is irrelevant, these are the facts. The reactions from the people in the trailer are real reactions.

The reason we state this is not Change is simply because people thought this is what it was, since it was following closely to the release of Change. It's as simple as that. It's something new and it makes total sense to state that. This is common in the magic community. Change is one our proudest and most successful releases and although it was received badly by some here at the Magic Café, the overwhelming response to this has been outstanding.

Those of you that own Iris (who have received it in the post) will realise there are NO lighting restrictions. The bill colors are identical and from what you can probably guess, the angles are 180 degrees around. We're half tempted here at Ellusionist to post the entire explanation so you can see the beauty and simplicity behind this. However, we don't endorse exposure and the reviews will speak for themselves when they roll in.

This is not meant to be a magician fooler. This is a real world effect. Although this does sometimes fool magicians, this amazes laymen every time. What we're giving you is the gimmick and routine for an unbelievable price. We'll be getting more live performances up in the next coming weeks.

Lastly, the switch. This switch wasn't highlighted in the trailer because it's nothing special. We're not going to reveal the switch but we will say it's as simple and as unnoticeable as when you place a deck down on the table whilst turning it over to switch the top card for the bottom card. Any performers out there know that this sort of switch flies 100% of the time. The switch is as motivated, direct and as simple as this. 100% worker.

Those of you that feel like you got stung by Change seem to be very upset and hurt; we empathise with you. Anyone in the magic industry has bought at least one trick that they didn't like, when others loved it. The numbers speak for themselves in simple black & white. Almost 3,000 sold. 34 refunds in total. That's a 1.3% return rate. Incredible! No company in the industry can boast a sales and satisfaction rate as impressive as this. As you can tell, we are very proud. And again, although the thoughts on Change here reflected a minimal minority of our customers who bought Change, we still did our upmost to frequent here and address any of your issues.

So there you have it. Short of outright exposing this to you, we're laying our cards out on the table. Of course a few of you aren't going to stop the hate and we understand that. Every company industry has haters and we are all aware that we can't please them. Where as most people hate the magic café for the types of behaviour found here, we still don't want ignore it completely. For everyone else we can't wait to hear your thoughts, see your performances and we'll try and jump on here when we can to answer any of your questions.

Thanks everyone and nice to meet you!


Ryan Jacobs
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P.s. If you'd like to talk directly, feel free to drop me a PM or an email.
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It's funny how you still don't understand why people were upset about Change.. Wow, I would have expected more from a company like you but hey, let's be dumb and ignore everything said on the forum and just take what we want to hear..

But it's not the debate here, this is clearly not a live performance if done with people you know. Dynamo has a lot of live performances like that if you want to go that way.

Bad company, bad trick, after being really ripped off with Change, I just can't let you guys getting away with those type of things.
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C'mon guys the only logical reason why this is not Change is because the back can not "change". The live performance video is not showing a convincing crowds. But it does showing a spectator's view and the move to me is convincing enough for a flashy opening act or maybe for closing act. So you wouldn't need to worry about cleaning the mess. Just pack up and go. For the lighting, IMO these kind of effect work best at a Café or bar where the lighting is not so bright-- on the streets at night. The switch is not the best switch in the world and you need to clean up afterward. But, for general use, the switch is easy to do. The price to me is not so cheap. But, not that expensive either. For me, the shipping cost to my country is very expensive for a single playing card. Flat-pack ala penguinmagic is a good recommendation. Make it free!

The WHY is the major concern of the people in the café. And I think you know WHY. I hope someday E can settle the Change problems accordingly, so it wont go on too long.
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I think you guys are being a bit harsh, this does not look bad to me. I think any trick Lloyd followed up with from E was bound to get some backlash here, so I'm not too surprised, but I think everyone is being a bit critical here.
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I've actually laid off E after change but after this I am saying it as I see it. They're a bunch of theiving ****s. Change was just one huge con. I could live with it as i
Am Well off enough to be able to smile at being tricked out of $40, but it annoyed me as a lot of their customers are kids who perhaps cant afford $30 - $40 as easily. Now this crap comes along with their team as the "audience" and now I think "you r taking the mickey". I Implore people not to buy this junk and instead buy melt 2.0 a infinitely superior product.

E in my opinion are taking the **** out of us by releasing this sort of crap that at best belongs on a multi trick dvd and at worst....well belomgs no where
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E are not some big evil rip off merchants but there are some fundamental truths here that drive their business.

On Change they sold 3000 units at what, $30 a pop, so that's a gross of $90,000 dollars. Now even before that's split various ways , whilst it's not insignificant to you and I, it's not enough to keep a company running or to ship people in like Lloyd for filming.

They have to keep product flowing and , in the end, economics will come into it not quality. It's something we see also with the likes of Sankey. And of course if they acknowledge this in any way they are doomed :

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014......-archive

My stance is to look for effects that have been proven a lot in the real world, not for some brand new brainchild of a kid who's chained to a production line.

The whoops and hollers over Iris were excitement that they've got another product to put out, not at how good it is.
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Why don't you all go on the appropriate thread (Change) to have this discussion? Honestly it's so tiring hearing the same **** over and over again, like a bunch of whiny five year olds who can't let go of something. If people didn't know better they'd think E had bilked you of your life's savings, not $35 or so.

Any reviews of THIS effect? The one the thread is about.


LOL, you wouldn't like the conversation no matter where it took place, and I find it very odd for you to be telling people what they should talk about. Regarding the effects, there *appear* to be some similarities between "Iris" and "Change," so comparing and discussing the effects is only natural. The only one giving the appearance of a whiny 5 year-old is yourself.

Reviews for "Iris" will come when people actually purchase the effect. Just be patient.

The sad thing is, you think that the "Change" issue was about the amount of money involved. It wasn't.
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What's wrong with E? They produced really great tricks. But what is that?

I don't like camera tricks, but iris doesn't even look good when filmed

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Those of you that feel like you got stung by Change seem to be very upset and hurt; we empathise with you. Anyone in the magic industry has bought at least one trick that they didn't like, when others loved it. The numbers speak for themselves in simple black & white. Almost 3,000 sold. 34 refunds in total. That's a 1.3% return rate. Incredible! No company in the industry can boast a sales and satisfaction rate as impressive as this. As you can tell, we are very proud. And again, although the thoughts on Change here reflected a minimal minority of our customers who bought Change, we still did our upmost to frequent here and address any of your issues.



1.3%...sounds like the percentage of good reviews for "Change"! "Change" has been almost universally panned, not only by purchasers, but by respected folks in the field. Gotta admit, Ryan (nice to place a name with the marketer and his ethic, btw), your ploy worked. You did great with sales, but you're lying through your teeth about satisfaction - and you are well aware of this. You're arrogance is about as bad as your ethics. But it was good of you to come here and demonstrate that fact.

"...although the thoughts on Change here reflected a minimal minority of our customers..." Arguing from silence - is this truly the best you can do? Apparently, it is. Your ethics and your tactics are simply disgusting. But what else can you do? Well, in E's case, say the same thing over and over until it is clear that you are actually saying nothing at all.
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"First of all, aside from Brad & Adam, nobody else in the trailer works for Ellusionist. The majority of faces which you won't recognise are people who requested to come to an Ellusionist filming party, under the guidelines that they were to bring a +1 (at least) lay person to spectate. If any of the guests there at the party are on here, they will absolutely attest to this. Also, Bobby Motta and Mark Calabrese have released with us, but do not work for us nor had they seen this effect before. From time to time, faces of team members in every company will show up in trailers. We all know this. Whether you choose to believe this or not, is irrelevant, these are the facts. The reactions from the people in the trailer are real reactions."


I have never seen a group of mostly "random" spectators all yell "Wooo wooo" simultaneously as they did in the "live" demo video. Street crowds yell, curse (usually often and loud!), and make various kinds of noise, but that synchronized "woo" sound? Real reactions? Difficult to believe.

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On Aug 22, 2015, Ryan Jacobs wrote:

"First of all, aside from Brad & Adam, nobody else in the trailer works for Ellusionist. The majority of faces which you won't recognise are people who requested to come to an Ellusionist filming party, under the guidelines that they were to bring a +1 (at least) lay person to spectate. If any of the guests there at the party are on here, they will absolutely attest to this. Also, Bobby Motta and Mark Calabrese have released with us, but do not work for us nor had they seen this effect before. From time to time, faces of team members in every company will show up in trailers. We all know this. Whether you choose to believe this or not, is irrelevant, these are the facts. The reactions from the people in the trailer are real reactions."


I have never seen a group of mostly "random" spectators all yell "Wooo wooo" simultaneously as they did in the "live" demo video. Street crowds yell, curse (usually often and loud!), and make various kinds of noise, but that synchronized "woo" sound? Real reactions? Difficult to believe.

Jim



Jim, you mean you've never had a spectator jump around like a monkey at one of your performances ? You need Iris from Ellusionist..."It'll make them scream like chimps!"
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If that's Ellusionists head of marketing then it's not surprising the mistakes they are making. Brad Christian seriously needs to find some new talent.
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Why don't you all go on the appropriate thread (Change) to have this discussion? Honestly it's so tiring hearing the same **** over and over again, like a bunch of whiny five year olds who can't let go of something. If people didn't know better they'd think E had bilked you of your life's savings, not $35 or so.

Any reviews of THIS effect? The one the thread is about.


LOL, you wouldn't like the conversation no matter where it took place, and I find it very odd for you to be telling people what they should talk about. Regarding the effects, there *appear* to be some similarities between "Iris" and "Change," so comparing and discussing the effects is only natural. The only one giving the appearance of a whiny 5 year-old is yourself.

Reviews for "Iris" will come when people actually purchase the effect. Just be patient.

The sad thing is, you think that the "Change" issue was about the amount of money involved. It wasn't.


Okay, you're the adult. Putting photos of pieces of **** on threads is very mature. I really need to grow up.
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Hey guys,

Almost 3,000 sold. 34 refunds in total. That's a 1.3% return rate. Incredible! No company in the industry can boast a sales and satisfaction rate as impressive as this.


Not sure who released their figures to you Smile

I've sold around 20,000 units of Double Back and not had anyone ask for a refund. That works out at..... 0%

I've only ever had to issue two refunds across all my products ever. That's something like 0.000001% across the range.

Not a boast.

Just saying.
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