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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts |
I was one of the 34 returns.
It was the first time I ever returned a magic trick in my life. It's not the first time that I wanted to do it, but I was under the (false) impression that a magic trick could NOT be returned- you know, I bought the secret as well as the trick itself. Maybe that's the reason there were so few returns on "Change"? It's been hammered into our heads for so long, and we've all come to believe it. I'll bet that the 34 returns were more than Ellusionist has gotten in their entire 15 years or so of being in business. Thirteen returns in 15 years, and then 34 in two weeks. Anyway, Lloyd Barnes and Ryan Jacobs (it's good for me to have another name to attach to that disaster, Ryan- thanks for letting me know!) and Ellusionist are added to my list of people that I will NEVER purchase from again. The list grows slowly but surely because the magic field is littered with people with no marketing morals at all. Oh, and thanks for calling me a "Hater" because I'm upset with your low standards and morals. That's the way things are handled today any time someone disagrees with your own standards or opinions. He's a hater, so don't listen to him. Take care, Jack the Hater, VP of The He-Man Ellusionist Hater's Club (My apologies to "The Little Rascals")
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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RagnarzA New user 52 Posts |
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
And then you post a review on the ellusionist website and if its not a glowimg recommendation or a five star; they don't publish it. Its all very shady in my opinion.
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 954 Posts |
Here is another video of Iris by Lloyd,this one as genuine audience reaction's...Honestly no BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnaiFN2E3IA Graham.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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Alex DLF Inner circle 1990 Posts |
Fair enough !
That was a good laugh
Get yourself Stamper and MONU, the perfect walkaround packet tricks: https://youtu.be/rwtfeKFeLms & https://youtu.be/yz5yKlI-4w8
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
Too me, it just look's so faint when it is ment to be through the card,so I just can not get it,most of the hand is covering ,what we want the spectator's to see ,no?.
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Legendary Wizard Inner circle The Wizard , The Legend 162,885,947,3659, 1694 Posts |
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On Aug 24, 2015, gtx magic wrote: That was ... Very dramatic but I guess would be the exact opposite reaction for IRIS in the real world ...
" Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " ...
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
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On Aug 23, 2015, Paul S Wingham wrote: Exactly. Sad to see what's happening with E. And that real world video, well, I couldn't help but chuckle after the reactions. All was very shady- that's a great word for it Paul. It is truly funny to watch how E and others that market this way must think consumers are not very smart. For me, that's even more disturbing and cements my position in boycotting purchasing anything from them. I know- it is partly shallow to think and feel that way- but they obviously don't think to much of the consumer. The one guy in the video in the back was hilarious- making those goofy faces and dancing around. It looked to me that those guys clearly knew Lloyd. Again- doesn't sit well with me to try and pull a fast one on the consumer. Just bad taste. Somebody should really take the shovel away from E.
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
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On Aug 22, 2015, Ryan Jacobs wrote: I actually agree that showing a switch is not always necessary in a trailer. It is very different to not showing a selection process which many trailers have done to dupe viewers. However, any switch needs motivation, trchnique and psychology taught. I'm sure there are many magicians on here who are new to magic or who are still learning about the psychology of it. They may not realise that there is a massive difference between an object that has no heat on it and one that does. I hope this helps them. If someone chooses a card, you naturally ask them to look at it... and they naturally want to anyway. At that moment, they are interested in the card. There is no reason to be interested in the deck. Turning it over as you place it one table at that point is the the prime time to do so. If someone's borrowed note visible penetrates your own playing card, there is a lot off heat on the plying card. They really want to look at it. They will follow it to the end of the earth to look at it! They know their note is clean so the only other object is the card. Asking them to check out their own money is tantamount to saying, "Look over there!" I would hope that the psychological aspect of having the gimmicked card being the one thing people want to look at is covered.
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RiBo New user Orando, FL 78 Posts |
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On Aug 23, 2015, Paul S Wingham wrote: This is my frustration. I posted a two-star review after getting an email from them soliciting one. I did around two weeks ago (could be longer) and it still hasn't shown up. I PMed Ryan Jacobs asking about it (per his request, on this thread) but no response. That was on Saturday, so only three days ago, but I'm a bit disappointed - again - that he hasn't responded given the fact that he was "open" enough to come here and request that people PM him with questions or comments. The shame of it is that in the Internet world, building relationships with customers is tough, but critical for longterm success. For whatever reason Ellusionist seems to be blowing that aspect of their business at the moment. |
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
I too have sent a pm to Ryan Jacobs about the price of postage but still waiting for a reply....
Kieran |
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Low Key New user 97 Posts |
Kieran, my advice to you would be to be 100% sure about any order (pre- or otherwise) you place with Ellusionist.
If you place an order you can't cancel it if you change your mind. You have to wait for it to be delivered, then return it (at your own expense) for a refund. I had no idea this was their policy, but according to what they told PayPal it's not only policy, but cancelling orders before they ship is impossible for them. I'm in the UK, and by a freak of statistics I'm also one of the 34 people who returned Change. The return postage cost me £10 because I had to go through a PayPal dispute to get Ellusionist to act legally and refund both postage and cost of item. PayPal require an online tracking number for returned items, which ups the price of international postage, apparently. If you deal with Ellusionist directly they will only refund the cost of the item and you'll have to pay both postage costs. As a customer service aside it's very sad that only 34 people returned this, but as 1 of this tiny number I had to go through PayPal, and Ellusionist consistently waited until the last day to respond to PayPal. They also erroneously referred to me as a 'he'. 34 refunds, some presumably directly with Ellusionist, and they couldn't take a few seconds to check my gender if they need to refer to it? |
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Sean Xem Loyal user New York 235 Posts |
Low Key,
I have cancelled orders at E before they have shipped. Probably done this a few times over the years. They never gave me a problem about it either. |
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Low Key New user 97 Posts |
Lucky you
That was what they told me via email, and what they told PayPal. Perhaps they've changed their policy. Perhaps they just decided to be difficult with me. I couldn't say. I only know what they told me and PayPal. |
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MJE Elite user After all these years,I STILL have only 409 Posts |
[quote]On Aug 22, 2015, Ryan Jacobs wrote:
This switch wasn't highlighted in the trailer because it's nothing special. Did no one but me find that statement hilarious? I don't have "Iris," nor do I have any intention of purchasing it, but to edit out the point at which the magic happens (for the performer) is sort of like those Melies films where he stops the camera, someone steps in front of the camera, and he resumes shooting so that someone just magically appeared in the frame. There was, of course, "nothing special" going on while the camera was off. These Ellusionist guys are digging their hole deeper, it seems. |
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
"He is the only outside consultant Ellusionist ever hired. His experience resulted in..."
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Legendary Wizard Inner circle The Wizard , The Legend 162,885,947,3659, 1694 Posts |
Nah , they're just editing out the switch so it can fool us ~ And we are so totally fooled , stunned and never going to press the order button ~
" Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " ...
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
I reckon just let this thread die, "the less people know about it the less people fund ellusionist.
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Ceierry Inner circle Europe 1578 Posts |
I have Iris, and people love this trick, it's the most visual card thru bill effect available, peoples prefer Melt instead Iris, why not? Iris is just an alternative and for those who prefer hard close up magic, Melt is for you, those who simply want a moment of visual magic of something absolutely impossible, Iris is a good option, workable.
Thumbs up for me. 15$ is cheap? No, absolutely not, but IMHO, it's hard for a single gimmick, but think about that moment of visual, and the times you'll perform this. - Good trick to keep the bill btw (tips)
Author of 10S Star Sign Divination - olivier.ceierry@gmail.com for a digital copy.
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Gern Blanston New user 2 Posts |
Is Lloyd Barnes an actual performing magician? This is a genuine question.
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