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Give Peter a "Ring" Smile he might have some idea's. Lol

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I don't believe the PM I just received. Smile
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I don't believe the PM I just received. Smile


Too funny Smile
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Sorry for not being specific, peters haunted deck rountine using the phantom gimmick live performance is what I was after.

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I don't believe the PM I just received. Smile


I think someone is talking the p*ss out of us moaning about phantom lol

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I think I'm gonna pass on this one.
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On Sep 10, 2015, jaizon wrote:
I think I'm gonna pass on this one.


But think of the hours of fun you can have with this.... are you sure?!!??!
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On Sep 10, 2015, pegasus wrote:
I don't believe the PM I just received. Smile


I think someone is talking the p*ss out of us moaning about phantom lol

Kieran




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I've scanned the bazillion comments, which mainly seem to focus on the "thead, no thead" thing, My issue lies with the marketing, I spent the better part of an hour, first getting the URL, then downloading the PDF which basically just directed me to a 'secret" Vimeo which I was never able to access. I looked at the pen, my computer, and decided this is no way to sell a product. Why should I have to go through all these steps just to learn a handling? Regards the pen idea, decided there were way better ways to accomplish the same thing, that this was either junk drawer material or return, which I did.
Bur my bigger issue is with this trend to supply streaming downloads (some of which can't even be downloaded). Why can't creators, marketers, spend a bit more and provide a *** DVD?
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Did you try typing the address in all lowercase? If you type it in all caps, it won't work.
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On Sep 10, 2015, jaizon wrote:
I think I'm gonna pass on this one.


But think of the hours of fun you can have with this.... are you sure?!!??!


Now you've gone and raised some doubt in my mind. But it's all those 1 star reviews on Penguin. What about them.
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I've scanned the bazillion comments, which mainly seem to focus on the "thead, no thead" thing, My issue lies with the marketing, I spent the better part of an hour, first getting the URL, then downloading the PDF which basically just directed me to a 'secret" Vimeo which I was never able to access. I looked at the pen, my computer, and decided this is no way to sell a product. Why should I have to go through all these steps just to learn a handling? Regards the pen idea, decided there were way better ways to accomplish the same thing, that this was either junk drawer material or return, which I did.
Bur my bigger issue is with this trend to supply streaming downloads (some of which can't even be downloaded). Why can't creators, marketers, spend a bit more and provide a *** DVD?


Probably two reasons. One. DVDs add to cost and shipping and take from the profit margin. You might not think it would impact it much but it does. The profit margin on a product isn't $25-35. It's generally a pretty small percentage of price, so anything that cuts into that affects margin. Illusions don't sell millions of copies so every penny of profit is important. There are very few industries with big profit margins, hence the cutting in all businesses.,
Two. The majority of people don't want the clutter of having DVDs. While it's nice to have something physical most probably prefer having a downloadable video they can just store. Streaming is problematic for many and I agree with you but the trend isn't going to reverse.
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I think I'm gonna pass on this one.


But think of the hours of fun you can have with this.... are you sure?!!??!


Now you've gone and raised some doubt in my mind. But it's all those 1 star reviews on Penguin. What about them.


Hey you can smash the gimmick against a singing stone and make it sound like metal.... totally wild.....! and then glob the stone too.

Oh yeah - as soon as you get it you will want to SMASH it - SMASH it good!

Yeah, those Pengy 1 stars show nobody wants anyone else to get this effect because they ally want it to themselves. The sheer joy of getting the gimmick and then SMASHING IT TO SMITHEREENS and hearing it sing.....

I heard someone bought 20 of them at once so they can do a shelf-shuffling deck.... I think they plan to place the gimmicks in button holes of their shirts and sleeves and nostrils so they will not be seen!
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I know Peter very well for many years, he is an honoust guy and the last thing he will do is selling you a product that cannot be used in real performance or as is shown on a video. Magicians look at methods, which is wrong, you should look at the effect.

I think the problem is not in the pen but in the magicians head. In my opinion there are two kinds (maybe even more) kinds of magicians, roughly said:

1-The kind who perform magic professionally, they will see the possibilities and work an effect in their act and think about that. Because the make an ACT and a story to it there is a natural misdirection which makes almost every effect in the real world. These performers write their acts, think carefully about what to use and work on it. They often choose the EFFECT first and then choose which method they use to establish the effect. After the act is ready and tested and polished often in an excisting act they start using it. These people already ARE magicians as they do what a magician should do.....it is a real job en involves way more then buy a trick and put it onl youtube and show how good (ahum) you are

2-The kind who buy tricks, unpack it, watch the dvd, perform the trick as it is, get caught by their family as there is no act, no story and therefore no misdirection and therefore blame the trick from being poor. After they placed some orders online they put up a website and name themselves "magician". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there are no poor magic effects but I can tell you (I demonstrate magic for over 16 years and do shows for over 25 years) that the most poor effects can be turned into miracles if performed well.

Now, in which category would you put yourself...and if you wanted to book a magician...which type of the two would you book? Does that make sense?

Just to think about Smile

René


You are a dealer. Would you agree not to sell products like this to amateurs/hobbyists? In other words, if you believe in the "two types of magicians" thing, aren't you ripping off the non-professionals if you recommend Phantom to them?

I'd like to hear your perspective on this. And, if you don't mind, what percentage of your sales are to professionals instead of amateurs?
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Dynamite Magic Shop. That's a pretty ridiculous comment. Methods are huge part of effects and if the method doesn't make sense or move an illusion forward there is no reason for its existence except to make money. The problem isn't in people's heads it's that most people commenting have common sense and realize the handling looks ridiculous and unnecessary. And just because a great magician can perform a poor effect well doesn't excuse releasing a crap product. You sound like you're just making excuses for someone you know. The trick doesn't suck because people can't tell a story or use misdirection. It sucks because the handling adds an illogical step to a number of effects that can be done infinitely cleaner, because the gimmick isn't reliable, because you have to load a piece of something that will leave residue, because you need to hold s gimmick that is so poorly designed it can't even do what it's original use is, because the ads were misrepresentive of what the product was, because it's a poor mans ripoff of a much better similar product. I highly doubt many working magicians are going to use this, most pro magicians would do these effects much cleaner. It's much more likely hobbyists might if they can't figure out one of the hundreds of better handling a for haunted deck and rising card. And man, you have a pretty condescending view of hobbyists who have to make up a large part of your clientele. If I was them I wouldn't give you a dime as there are plenty of sellers who don't have that perspective.
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Probably two reasons. One. DVDs add to cost and shipping and take from the profit margin. You might not think it would impact it much but it does. The profit margin on a product isn't $25-35. It's generally a pretty small percentage of price, so anything that cuts into that affects margin.

There are very few industries with big profit margins, hence the cutting in all businesses.,


Different point of view here-

Bulk DVD purchases bring the price down substantially per disc and shipping costs are passed on to the customer so no profit reduction impact there.

...Profit margin a small percentage of the price? Hardly! You would be surprised what the profit margin is on magic products, especially the one's creators produce in China or with a distributor who has the product made in China. It happens much more than is generally known.
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Well said Slackerking. He tried the old 'damage limitation' sketch for his buddy but failed miserably. Smile
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Sorry, but I gave this gimmick a serious try and there's no way you can do genie in bottle 100% as shown in the ad. No hard feelings against Peter, but not every song the Rolling Stones writes is a hit either.
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Sorry, but I gave this gimmick a serious try and there's no way you can do genie in bottle 100% as shown in the ad. No hard feelings against Peter, but not every song the Rolling Stones writes is a hit either.


Good attitude. You've obviously got more money to waste than me.
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