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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 954 Posts |
Give Peter a "Ring" he might have some idea's. Lol
Graham
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
I don't believe the PM I just received.
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reignofsound Inner circle Glasgow, UK 2199 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, pegasus wrote: Too funny |
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
Sorry for not being specific, peters haunted deck rountine using the phantom gimmick live performance is what I was after.
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, pegasus wrote: I think someone is talking the p*ss out of us moaning about phantom lol Kieran |
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
I think I'm gonna pass on this one.
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, jaizon wrote: But think of the hours of fun you can have with this.... are you sure?!!??!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, magicman29 wrote:
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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luckyspotz New user 4 Posts |
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nornando New user 62 Posts |
I've scanned the bazillion comments, which mainly seem to focus on the "thead, no thead" thing, My issue lies with the marketing, I spent the better part of an hour, first getting the URL, then downloading the PDF which basically just directed me to a 'secret" Vimeo which I was never able to access. I looked at the pen, my computer, and decided this is no way to sell a product. Why should I have to go through all these steps just to learn a handling? Regards the pen idea, decided there were way better ways to accomplish the same thing, that this was either junk drawer material or return, which I did.
Bur my bigger issue is with this trend to supply streaming downloads (some of which can't even be downloaded). Why can't creators, marketers, spend a bit more and provide a *** DVD? |
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mikenewman Inner circle Kent Island, Maryland 1114 Posts |
Did you try typing the address in all lowercase? If you type it in all caps, it won't work.
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, Dr Spektor wrote: Now you've gone and raised some doubt in my mind. But it's all those 1 star reviews on Penguin. What about them. |
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Slackerking Special user 613 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, nornando wrote: Probably two reasons. One. DVDs add to cost and shipping and take from the profit margin. You might not think it would impact it much but it does. The profit margin on a product isn't $25-35. It's generally a pretty small percentage of price, so anything that cuts into that affects margin. Illusions don't sell millions of copies so every penny of profit is important. There are very few industries with big profit margins, hence the cutting in all businesses., Two. The majority of people don't want the clutter of having DVDs. While it's nice to have something physical most probably prefer having a downloadable video they can just store. Streaming is problematic for many and I agree with you but the trend isn't going to reverse. |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, jaizon wrote: Hey you can smash the gimmick against a singing stone and make it sound like metal.... totally wild.....! and then glob the stone too. Oh yeah - as soon as you get it you will want to SMASH it - SMASH it good! Yeah, those Pengy 1 stars show nobody wants anyone else to get this effect because they ally want it to themselves. The sheer joy of getting the gimmick and then SMASHING IT TO SMITHEREENS and hearing it sing..... I heard someone bought 20 of them at once so they can do a shelf-shuffling deck.... I think they plan to place the gimmicks in button holes of their shirts and sleeves and nostrils so they will not be seen!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2015, dynamite magic shop wrote: You are a dealer. Would you agree not to sell products like this to amateurs/hobbyists? In other words, if you believe in the "two types of magicians" thing, aren't you ripping off the non-professionals if you recommend Phantom to them? I'd like to hear your perspective on this. And, if you don't mind, what percentage of your sales are to professionals instead of amateurs? |
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Slackerking Special user 613 Posts |
Dynamite Magic Shop. That's a pretty ridiculous comment. Methods are huge part of effects and if the method doesn't make sense or move an illusion forward there is no reason for its existence except to make money. The problem isn't in people's heads it's that most people commenting have common sense and realize the handling looks ridiculous and unnecessary. And just because a great magician can perform a poor effect well doesn't excuse releasing a crap product. You sound like you're just making excuses for someone you know. The trick doesn't suck because people can't tell a story or use misdirection. It sucks because the handling adds an illogical step to a number of effects that can be done infinitely cleaner, because the gimmick isn't reliable, because you have to load a piece of something that will leave residue, because you need to hold s gimmick that is so poorly designed it can't even do what it's original use is, because the ads were misrepresentive of what the product was, because it's a poor mans ripoff of a much better similar product. I highly doubt many working magicians are going to use this, most pro magicians would do these effects much cleaner. It's much more likely hobbyists might if they can't figure out one of the hundreds of better handling a for haunted deck and rising card. And man, you have a pretty condescending view of hobbyists who have to make up a large part of your clientele. If I was them I wouldn't give you a dime as there are plenty of sellers who don't have that perspective.
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1849 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2015, Slackerking wrote: Different point of view here- Bulk DVD purchases bring the price down substantially per disc and shipping costs are passed on to the customer so no profit reduction impact there. ...Profit margin a small percentage of the price? Hardly! You would be surprised what the profit margin is on magic products, especially the one's creators produce in China or with a distributor who has the product made in China. It happens much more than is generally known.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Well said Slackerking. He tried the old 'damage limitation' sketch for his buddy but failed miserably.
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Wardy Regular user Sydney, Australia 193 Posts |
Sorry, but I gave this gimmick a serious try and there's no way you can do genie in bottle 100% as shown in the ad. No hard feelings against Peter, but not every song the Rolling Stones writes is a hit either.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2015, Wardy wrote: Good attitude. You've obviously got more money to waste than me. |
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