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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Once more you fail to understand what the flack is about. Have had several reports from those who know better than me regards your antics (Publicity at any cost is ignorant and once more use of the Houdini crutch). Not going to castigate you further here as you havnt a clue about that which you have done.
I know one club you will never get an invite to and that's a moral one. Also to note if you ever become a member of ukea then you will bring them down to your level we are judged by the company we keep. No further rants from me best of luck in the future, and thank god I'm at the end my working life. |
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
Ok, so here's some vital information that EA's should know about this particular stunt.
At two feet depth, the amount of earth above the EA (the amount spanning apprx the width of his shoulders) is around 2cubic feet...this weighs (depending on type of soil, water content, etc) approx 220 lbs (or around 15 stones for UK readers). Add to this the volume of earth all round the EA which is trying to fill the space occupied by the EA, and you will see why nobody can do it, and why it's so dangerous. Phil above had the right idea. He tried it with a box. Houdini couldn't do it, nor could Alan Alan. That volume of earth is just TOO HEAVY. Now add the restricted breathing due to blocked nose, mouth etc. by the way...that amount of soil above you is equal to TWO domestic size home garden wheel barrows. Now you know why you became so immobile, and why you nearly died. Antony, you say you are "fully aware of my feelings and the fact the I "put the word out" as you call it". Yet you still did it, and your so-called advisers had no advice for you? Advice like "you will need to be dug out, because you will fail" Or at the very least try it with your team at a quiet hole in the ground somewhere, AWAY FROM the public gaze. Being wise after the event is not much use. Planning without rehearsal is no use. Talking about it is not "planning". Houdini tried it, and his comments have been noted elsewhere on this thread. I asked Alan Alan about it on more than one occasion, but he was reluctant to discuss it. David DeVal and Pat Page also found he didn't want to talk about it, and Pat had known him for years. This stunt is not about ability, and not about strength....we are not Superman. You might think you were only two feet of earth from success, but that two feel of eath is what does the killing. The result is predictable for anyone attempting it, not just you. PROPER planning and REHEARSAL will usually ensure success, but for this stunt it would have taught you to do something else. Of course, if you just love the drama and the publicity, then just run down a busy motorway, towards the traffic, wearing a blindfold. At least you raised money for a good cause. I will ignore your petulant challenge to try the same stunt. I retired after Ripon. I didn't need to be let out of that cell, I knew I could do it because of proper planning. It needed skill and experience. So, what would you do if you were challenged to a cell escape? No need to reply. Riley |
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Bravo Riley but its a shame you had to take time out to point out the obvious. Yes had chats with Pat Page and Alan Alan about this when Pat worked for Davies opposite the British Museum and Alan had his shop just down the road from them. Correct reluctant to talk about stupidity let alone be involved in it. Was not going to add comments any more here but you took the time to point out what these so called experts should have known already !! A lot of BS has come out of this and reflects on the intelligence of the pro escapologist so doing workers no good. Happy to see the ethics in UKEA and CHAINS will keep such as these out of their society.
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Cliffg37 Inner circle Long Beach, CA 2491 Posts |
Riley, thank you for the science lesson. I couldn't have said it better myself. If you are buried alive in a box of some kind with a hinged lid, then when you go to open that lid you can have Torque on your side. If you open it a little bit, depending on your build you can brace your feet against the lid and put your back into it. (That is not as easy as it sounds btw you are still trying to move substantially more than your own weight into a space for which there really is not room) If you have no box, and I have not tried it nor ever been involved in it, you have neither leverage nor torque on your side.
Bottom line, listen to the experts with experience, best to leave this one alone.
Magic is like Science,
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
Why there was no rehearsal of any physical nature is beyond me. But that's not the only issue here. The point about no such thing as bad publicity isn't true. You read the press online and you will see it's all negative, there is no positive spin and more importantly is the comments from the public in response to the articles.
I was performing as part of Derby magic circle at a charity event in Derby (pride park) and the organisers raised over 25k before the night even started. No one needed to be dug out of anything to raise money for that charity. Didn't Alan Alan and Houdini have good solid escape artist careers before attempting the buried alive? There careers were not damaged as they had the kudos of their skill in place first, not a couple of near misses including one where they caught on fire. Maybe it's just me but the more I think about this the more foolish it seems? Before anyone quotes my original post at me ..... I had not read the comments at that point. The more and more I read the more I become concerend. |
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Stuart Burrell Veteran user England 385 Posts |
Finally..... remembered the password.
Rus, thank you for picking up the message and for taking the time to reply. Riley, it was an honour to be with you at Ripon. I will treasure that event. I do not post on here often and before we go over old ground I would like to say that buried alive, and the various mitigation systems, have been covered on this forum before. I accept that the design brief would not allow for such things but sometimes it is the compromise that allows success to be optimised. Also I hate to say this but we are a public site and can be found on Google. This may not seem like an issue but it may be in the near future. The only comment I would like to make is rather obscure but it is that the argument regarding there never being such a thing as bad publicity is not the case. Whilst it is possible to be asked to speak about an event all day, if you cannot add your own event to that conversation or the other party are not interested when you do then you cannot get the job of promotion or selling tickets done. Yes they may say your name 100 times but if you cannot convert it to one sale then it may as well be zero. An extreme example is that BBC killed a member of the public, by accident, doing a gimmicked crate escape using a crane that held the crate high in the air. In doing so made it impossible for anyone using a crate or a crane in the art to have a conversation with a booker about any sort of act whatsoever. Anthony - well done on surviving. Please don't do this escape again. |
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Darkart New user Glasgow 98 Posts |
Went there, Seen it, Bought the T-Shirt.
I think taking on board what others here above have said who have vast experience and also those who remain to make a living / income from Escapology is vital, It its important to listen to many of the points raised and reasons why they say what they have stated. Each Escape Artist takes the responsobility for what they do, how its done and what the outcomes are wither these were intended or not! The outcome for this well il be honest was as expected...either you died or you were going to have to be rescued. I echo many of the feelings here that have been made, and reflect on the fact you were lucky to survive this attempt. Leave you with the words that I go by don't get in to what you cant get out off!
Impossible is just another level of difficulty
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Rook Special user I went to the Magic Cafe and all I got were these lousy 834 Posts |
I think I made a cardinal error in assuming something. You know the old saying regarding that.
My assumption was that, during 14 months of planning, there was a dry run to be sure of the efficacy of the escape. I am now led to believe that it wasn't the case, which would indeed be unfortunate. I find the counterpoints regarding the old "bad publicity" saw to be interesting as well. Thanks for that.
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it.
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Stuart Burrell Veteran user England 385 Posts |
Hi Rook. Long time. Your Avatar has not aged a day.
Thank you for the comments. If any clarification is needed from the post I made then please ask and I will endevour to assist you further. Darkart, well said sir. |
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
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On Sep 15, 2015, Darkart wrote: Well the statement that each EA is responsible for what they do is true but when the outcomes are affecting those who work in the business I know (from another place of discussion) that there are consequences for working Escape Artists that have arisen as a direct result of AB's actions. And they are not good consequences, they are a loss of business - financial in nature and a loss of income. Not a good thing - and certainly not balanced out by several names being in the national press. Not a good time in the UK for Escape Artists! |
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Britton New user 14 Posts |
Dave you say not a good time in the UK for escape artists !! It couldn't be better bud. Also you stated above that I have had near misses and caught on fire, o dear Dave don't Believe everything you read, last year I didn't catch fire nor did I plummet to my death or broke my bones as it was reported in some papers. I have been doing this for 20'years ish and may I just say this is the first time I have ever failed an escape in public. So please do not be concerned we get good and bad comments. Yes some people have said fool and crazy tw@t idiot however at the last count we have had over 20'000 emails and messages from people saying nothing but nice and respectful things and they still are coming in.
Stu not sure what you are blaming me for within your post. Also as I have stated in your private pm you was proud to jump on the back of this for the Sunday times. Also I wonder if your views would have been different if I promoted your energy drink as you ask me to do but hey let's not go there stu!! Rook we took every precaution and nothing was left to chance rest assured everything was looked at twice three four times over so please do not list to what others think they know. Ken I'm not going to fall out with you over this you and riley can continue with your rants, ringing people and !@#$% me off it's all cool, still love ya you have no idea regarding the planning that went in to it so everything that you are coming out with is just guess work based on press. Riley thank you for all the advice you have posted on here, but can I just point this out as you all appear to think nothing was planned I had weather and water professors at the site days before making sure the site was all good due to the water fall we had over the last few weeks. We had a grave digger ( professional ) on site advising and consulting on the grave Lots of planning went into this which included holes been dug tests were made , we had a professor of soil attend test sites consulting I was checked out by the medical team. And that was just parts. So please please do not pretend that you know what was done regarding this escape attempt. On the day it just wasn't my day. If you want to know more about it all attend my lecture next year I will be happy to talk further about things and other types of escapes. Cliff is right my advice is really leave this one alone 3 of us have attempted it and the escape has nearly killed us it is that simple all three of us gave it our best shot. As they say don't try this at home. |
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
I didn't say planning, I said REHEARSAL. You need to read more carefully, and learn.
So, now you are going to lecture? Looking forward to it. Oh, nearly forgot. I challenge you to escape from a cell...old or new. Your choice. Or would you prefer me to issue the challenge via the media? Riley |
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Riley, don't waste time on this,he hasn't a clue what he's on about. No history no knowledge no nothing, nothing only success in failure.
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Rook Special user I went to the Magic Cafe and all I got were these lousy 834 Posts |
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On Sep 15, 2015, Stuart Burrell wrote: Thanks! I'm trying to work out to where the avatar ages in my stead. Sort of like an Avatar of Dorian Gray kind of thing. No luck so far.
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it.
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
Been holding back because I couldn't figure all the reasons to object.
Here's the deal: Whether or not a person gains exposure from a venture or whether they do something for fun does not relieve them of due diligence. If I were to practice my Milk Can escape without water inside, that would be considered foolish because I wouldn't know what to do when the real show was being executed. (Executed may be the operative word) AND the self aggrandizing, rationale of "when was the last time you got this much exposure" is short sighted & immature. Even if a person generates exposure today... now... That is NO guarantee they will parley that into future earnings. Not only that but they probably won't get good rates on life insurance and will make it harder for others to get insurance on a personal and professional basis too. I don't care to pay double my premiums just to do a wedding. So, if anyone plans to make a exhibition of failing, please do it (in your back yard) where it won't affect the income or insurance premiums of everyone else.
Jay Leslie
www.TheHouseOfEnchantment.com |
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
Jay, you are quite right in your comments.
I have challenged him to perform a cell escape. He will not accept the challenge, because he can't do it. Having to be released from a cold cell doesn't get the same sympathy vote as an "escape" with the drama of a waiting ambulance. The reason for my challenge to him is because of the impertinent way he treats everyone. We all have an ego, but ego without skill or scruples is not a pretty sight. Riley |
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Well said Roy and no reply from the failure hahaha.
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
My cell escape challenge to Antony Briton has now expired. Nothing heard at all.
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Bravo Riley now we know he's out of his depth. So call BS out and it evaporates. Suggest now its exposed for what it is that we all get on and put such garbage behind us.
To the future. Now I'm outa here, Riley good job done. |
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