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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Can I get some opinions from the pros? I find myself frustrated some times that in devoting time to coin magic (my favorite magic by far), I'm not moving forward on my card magic, or cups or ropes, etc. I do understand quite well that it takes years to do this. And I will be doing this for the rest of my life, so there is no real hurry. But I was wondering if some of the veterans might have developed a system of learning/practice/rehearsal that might make thing more efficient. I'm sure it varies from person-to-person. But I'd love to hear some ideas on how to improve my "magic internalization velocity" through a disciplined system that would focus on moving a newbie forward in a good, efficient-but-highly effective way.
I tend to do things ad hoc, and so I'm sort of all over the map when it comes to learning and practicing. I know I need to develop a systematic approach. But before I do trial-and-error on that, I thought I'd get some suggestions on what is already tried and true:). BTW, I started down my magic road in November of 2014 at age 50. My motivation increases daily. I'm dead serious about becoming a good magician. But I am still only in my first year. Thanks! Ken |
BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
I'll be interested to read whatever advice shows up. At 68, I'm only a couple of years into my new-found life as a magician. Like you, Ken, I'm dead serious and trying hard.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
For ropes and silks, go to Bard Burt's shop and get a copy of the "Elf-working" books *about $8.00 each) for ropes and silks http://www.bradburtsmagicshop.com/
They are small and easy to keep in the glove compartment of your car. Toss in a couple of silks and hank of cloths line. Whenever you are going to be in a line or having lunch in the park, etc. grab a book and props and read a couple of effects. Unlike coins, they don't get lost or attract attention. Taking a plane trip, ditto. There are special moves to learn, sure -- but nothing you can't study and practice in your lap. Save coin work for home over the bed.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
On August 31, you posted a request for information on a "loop method" for C&R rope.
I replied on September 2, and suggested that you PM me. I have not received a PM, and have heard nothing more. This makes me wonder just how serious you are. You started out with great enthusiasm last fall. I recommended that you study TARBELL. Apparently, your interest has waned.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Dick,
My interest has not waned one tiny bit. I actually did not see your reply on the C&R thread. I don't know why, but even when I "subscribe" to a thread, I only seem to get notified of answers to my questions via email occasionally. I'll go back to that thread immediately. And I went through Tarbell to see if I could find that C&R method before I posted here. But it just wasn't one of the ones he covered in the course. Also, I've taken to corresponding directly with several folks here who are working with me on specific things, which has meant less public posting I think. This has been working really well for me. I also have a few contacts I've been working with face-to-face through the SAM club here, of which I am now a member. I've always appreciated the initial encouragement and guidance I've gotten from you and others. And there (quite literally) has not been a single day since Nov 9th, 2014, that I have not practiced SOME skill to improve my magic. Just know that the lessening of my postings on TMC is no indication of waning interest. Cheers! Ken |
KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Ken - I went to the site but couldn't find the book you were talking about. Would you happen to have a direct link to the product?
Thanks! Ken |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
eBooks at https://www.lybrary.com/ken-muller-m-579928.html questions at ken@eversway.com |
KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks Ken. Just ordered:).
Cheers! Ken |
1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
Ken,
This is what I do to practice: I have small index cards the size of playing cards. On each is an effect that I am practicing. There are about a dozen effect cards. They go into a two card wallet. Every day, I open the wallet and pull out the top card. I practice the effect and place the card in the back, ready for the next day. KJ |
Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
No real system. I just worked on things as they interested me. A move here and there, a trick here and there. Being a generalist seems to be a dying art among the pros, is mostly amateurs who do magic for their own entertainment who seem to maintain the generalist. When I was growing up, pretty much all the pros were more or less generalists. One of the great generalist still around is Johnny Thompson, and while many classify Mark Wilson as an illusionist, in his earlier years he was quite the generalist. Pros often do magic for other magicians and themselves that they don't do on stage. Johnny Thompson is known for his Polish Magician act, but in magic circles he is quite a sought after lecturer in about any area of magic.
Just pick up what seems interesting and work on it a while and see where it leads.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks. That's interesting. It all fascinates me still:). BTW, I found an effective - though not recommended - method of rotating my sub-genres. I injured my elbows ("tennis elbow") over-practicing coin magic. So now I'm doing cups and balls:-).
Cheers! Ken |
ColtonRaelund Regular user COLTON ZOROASTER RAELUND 116 Posts |
Hmm... I know you are asking advice from the "pros" but I will put my 2 cents in. I have been struggling with this same problem for several years. First off, I second Dick Oslund on the Tarbells. I just bought the full set, and they are fantastic! They also cover a lot more than just tricks. Second, with cards aside, I find that learning coins first makes you pretty adept at most other branches. The sleights are all basicaly the same, and coins are harder to work with, disregarding angles. In the words of Henry Hay "no competent coin manipulator ever had any trouble with thimbles or billiard balls". Also, palming coins is the most important skill, so even in public, you can practice that, so long as you are carefull with your angles. As for cards, they are completely different than the other branches, so I cant really give any suggestions there. I am not sure if this helps you; it is just what works for me.
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