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Bill Hegbli
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It is a good recommendation for Co-pen-tro type effect. I don't know about Canada, but China make 98% of merchandise sold in the U.S., from the cloths on your back to device you are communicating with on the Café. And even a lot of the magic most of use. Why not consider the China referenced trick. If it works and does what you want, there is nothing wrong most of the items I received from China, from car parts to magic tricks. The only difference is when they are overseen by a U.S. company, they demand quality control. Magic, you have to hope they know how it should work properly.

Remember, if it was not for China, we would not have the Chinese Linking Rings and a lot of other magic tricks that originated in China. Even thought they are a communist country, the American Government wants us to trade with them.

Makes sense to open Cuba as well, seems like a lot of tourist want to go places where people hate freedom and free will, but will take your money. Now that smoking is banned everywhere, the Havana Cigar will not do as well in sales in the U.S.

Can't wait for that language translator to be on the market, made in China of course.
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Hi Bill,

I agree that there are some fine products out of China. Unfortunately, there are also many poorly made items and rip-offs. Unless someone had experience with an item from China, I wouldn't purchase it.

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Bill is absolutely right regarding how much of our products are made in China, and most of what we own has probably touched China's shores in one way or another. But there are products made with proper management, oversight, and quality control and those that are not. Large corporations that have subsidiaries or partners in China will hopefully do their best to ensure that the quality of the parts or final products meet their customers' expectations. Others may not. That aside, we also know that China is home to some excellent knock-off manufacturers, and these items may look and feel right at first, but will not stand the test of time or consistent use. What's the phrase, caveat emptor?

My point is, this particular version of Copentro is meant for performance on stage, cabaret, or parlor setting. Which, probably means it will be used in larger performance settings and not in some collector's magic room for his buddies. It may look great, but do you want your reputation hanging on a chancy product that may or may not work when it needs to? I realize mechanical failure can happen to any prop...high-end or low-end, but why take a chance to save a few bucks? If you're going to gamble, hedge your bet and invest in a known and trusted builder.
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Wizard of Oz, I agree with you totally, but, there are no manufactures currently for Co-Pen-Tro, they are all retired, deceased, or just not making them currently. Not to mention when and if they are back on the market, be prepared to pay a hefty price. That is why, you buy when something you know, you will use at one point, and keep it. I see a lot of posts on the Café, "I use to have", well then you did not want it if you have gotten rid of it. To late now. So you have to just settle back and realize you will have to come up with something you do have, and work on that.
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And then there are those of us who enjoy turning CAN'T into CAN by inventing a new way to do the impossible...and that's what magic is all about! If it wasn't impossible, it wouldn't be magic. Spellbinder's "Santa's Magic Jingle Bell" from The Wizards' Journal #22, made use of an old idea from Hoffmann's 1876 Modern Magic. Convert it from a spirit bell effect into a coin trick and you have a variation on Copentro that can combine with multiplying coin techniques to bring something new out of something old.
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I broke down and bought the China Magic table version, their smaller tray version and their table version that does 3 coins and a ring. All three use remote control. All three are excellent and reliable. I tend to use the table version with the ring the most. The ring as the last item is remarkable and reinforces the thought that the real item is actually traveling into the glasses. I use a gold wedding band in the table load. I choose an audience member with a gold band. Vanish their band last after the three coins. Have the audience on stage verify the "gold ring" is in the glass. Then I take the ring and hand it back to the spectator I borrowed it from with a switch for their ring. Well worth the effort. Prices are out $400 and shipping about $200 but for $600 that's a steal. Gotta admit that the workmanship is good on the mechanism. The tables could be better. The remotes are flawless. I hope this is helpful!
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FWIW....

Take a look here for the current, authorized version of Copentro and it looks BEAUTIFUL..

https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/cope......n-glass/

George Robinson has a great reputation for customer service, as well....

And not to beat a dead point here, but, with proper rehearsal, great timing, and a reliable prop like this, the effect can be made to look absolutely astonishing ........so why a remote? The same can be said about this:

https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/cw-coin-classic/
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The coins through the deck is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Dr. Bob Escher showed it to me about 3-4 years ago. I was completely floored. And then he showed me the apparatus - again I was floored! What an ingenious piece of equipment.

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At one time I owned Jack Hughes--Collector's Workshop--Bob Kline and Abbotts versions.
I finally settled on the Abbotts make. I find it smaller and lighter than the rest, the set I used for many years was bought 1970 was well made. The new Abbotts version is poorly made and would miss the coins.
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Yes, the new Abbott's Copentro effect is not reliable. My old one works better that I purchased in the 70's.
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Jules Lenier had a wonderful routine.

He put short legs on the device so he could easily reach under it and pick it up. He would show and set up the glasses on the device, and then cover the two glasses with a silk and then hold the apparatus in his left hand. His right hand took a coin from his pocket and apparently dropped the coin onto the bottom of the downturned glass. You heard it hit and heard it land. He really just dropped the coin into his finger palm as he fired the gimmick.

He immediately snatched the silk with his right hand (still finger palming the coin) and stuffed it into his front coat pocket and dropping the coin. He set the prop down and lifted the tall glass in his right hand and the small one in his left, he poured the coin out of the shot glass and into the big glass.

He set the shot glass down onto the stand, moved the big glass to his left hand and shook it, and then poured the coin out onto the right hand. He takes out the silk from his pocket and covers the glasses again. He picks up the device in his left hand and shows the coin still in his right. He again drops the coin from his right hand apparently onto the covered glasses, actually finger palming it. The right hand snatches the silk and puts it into the right coat pocket along with the coin.

The coin is again poured from glass to glass and left in the right hand as the two glasses are set onto the device. The apparatus is picked up without replacing the silk, and the third time, the coin appears to visibly penetrate the glass. The device is placed back on the table.

The big glass is picked up by the right hand (with finger-palmed coin), and the left hand picks up the shot glass and pours it into the big glass.

The shot glass is set back on the stand.

The big glass pours the coin onto the left hand, and the right hand sets down the glass and picks up the coin from the left hand (still finger palming the first coin) and shows it before placing both coins in the right trouser pocket.

The fourth coin in the device was just for backup.

Hopefully, some of you will find this appropriately inspirational. The device should be made with three little round "legs" so it can be easily picked up in one hand.
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Pop, did he do it to patter or music?
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He just showed it to me in the magic shop. I don't know if he ever even did it in public. It is an elegant, simple and ruthless presentation I think.
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Harold Martin told me he put the fake fur on top of the pedestal so you could not see anything for Don Alan. That let Don perform it closeup.
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Thanks for that description, Pop Haydn. I'm just beginning to build an electronic, remote-controlled Copentro and I was wondering whether 3 coins was better than 4. I like the idea doing the trick with 3 and having the 4th coin available as a backup.
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I came across this thread, figured I would breath new life into it. Someone mentioned El Duco's Isolated Gold. This is probably the coolest miracle in magic, I have used this for over twenty years and the audience instantly breaks out in applause as the ring loudly appears in the covered glass from across the room. There were two versions, one watchwork the other electronic. I have Robot Coins, it is not reliable...I have used it several times infront of an audience, thankfully I had prepared an 'out' in the event one or more of the coins did not appear in the glass, which is exactly what had happened. A few years back I built a version of coins to glass, electronic ( remote ), the glass is placed into a wooden box and one by one you can hear the coins hit the glass...below is the link, this is just a brief demonstration with the remote in hand...during performance you can stand across the stage and vanish the coins then dramatically gesture at the box as they noisily reappear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0aebDpCjsw


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On Dec 22, 2016, olivertwist wrote:
Thanks for that description, Pop Haydn. I'm just beginning to build an electronic, remote-controlled Copentro and I was wondering whether 3 coins was better than 4. I like the idea doing the trick with 3 and having the 4th coin available as a backup.


Oliver.... did you make it?

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KeithP, I didn't complete the project. I bought some solenoids that would fit but they turned out to be too weak to release the plunger. For now I'm going to stay with the manual method.
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If you think the only way to make an electronic remote controlled Copenetro is by attempting to make electronic components operate a hand-held store-bought Copenetro, you are a linear problem solver. A lateral problem solver would come up with a whole new approach to the problem. Check out my "Haunted House Copenetro" in the Dollar Store Magic Book 2 at the Magic Nook and you'll see my lateral version of the trick that might be a better place to start for an electronic RC solution.
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Mago Migue/Miguel Puga from Spain sells one model as well. Amazing routine where coins vanish from spectators hands.

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