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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Lots of unproven things are true. I find it more odd when people don't believe (or at least claim not to believe) anything that's unproven.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: So would you find it odd that someone doesn't believe in Leprechauns? Or purple Unicorns on Jupiter? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2016, R.S. wrote: Nope, I wouldn't. But I do find it quite odd that some people seem to conflate evidence with proof.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have done that on occasion.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: What part of descent with modification and change over time is "absolutely unproven"? Danny, do you understand what it means to achieve "Theory" status in science? A scientific Theory explains observed facts. And it has the added bonus of being predictive. The Theory of Evolution is perhaps the strongest, most corroborated scientific Theory there is. It would take something truly earth-shattering to overturn the Theory of Evolution. Something akin to discovering that the Moon does not orbit the Earth. So no, I don't "take it on faith". I merely accept the overwhelming scientific evidence in favor of evolution. In fact, I don't take anything on "faith". I apportion my beliefs to the available evidence. I have never claimed that "there is no God." However, I don't believe any of the tens of thousands of god claims over the centuries have met their burden of proof, therefore, I don't believe there are any. But back to my question... is "faith" - believing in things despite a lack of compelling evidence - a reliable method for arriving at the truth? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: Is there proof that Leprechauns exist? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
LobowolfXXX,
What do you mean when you say "conflate?" I don't know whether I am understanding your intended meaning. |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1336 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, R.S. wrote: Is there proof that Leprechauns do not exist? (Always more difficult to prove a negative)
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have thought impossible.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, 0pus wrote: There is evidence for all sorts of things that are unproven. They're not necessarily true, but there's no reason to withhold belief on something simply because it's unproven. In fact, it's rather silly to, or even to claim to. We make decisions all the time based on intuition, logic, intelligence, and available evidence. If the only things one believed were those that were "proven," it would be an awkward life.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: That's a myth, probably created by a bona fide atheist to try to maintain a one-sided "burden of proof." It's been proven, for instance, that there is no largest prime number. Of course, the statement itself is a negative ("There is no negative that can be proven,"), so even if we didn't have clear counterexamples (like the largest prime number thing), it would be at best unprovable, and at worst simply wrong (as it is). It's not a law of logic, or anything. It's just a cliche, and a false one at that.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
In a strange fit of irony the sentence "you can't prove a negative" is in and of itself a negative.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: That doesn't explain what you mean by "conflate." It is a word thrown around a lot today, but it doesn't seem to have the same meaning for all usages. I just wanted to know what you meant when you said, "I do find it quite odd that some people seem to conflate evidence with proof." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I mean that they confuse the terms. They treat a statement that something is unproven as if it were a statement that there is no evidence for that thing.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: Well, then if the available evidence is not strong enough to prove something is true, then why believe that it IS true? Why not just say "I don't know"???? And again I ask, is there proof that Leprechauns exist? Quote:
In fact, it's rather silly to, or even to claim to. We make decisions all the time based on intuition, logic, intelligence, and available evidence. If the only things one believed were those that were "proven," it would be an awkward life. I think it would be more unreasonable to believe in all sorts of things just because they haven't been DISproven. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: What is a "bona fide atheist"? And what do you mean by a "one-sided burden of proof"? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, imgic wrote: What would that proof be? I suppose one would have to scour the entire universe to say definitively whether or not Leprechauns (or pixies, or demons, or gods) exist. But is the fact that something hasn't been disproven a good enough reason to then believe in it? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, R.S. wrote: Why would "proof" be your standard for belief? I believe that tomorrow's Lotto numbers will not be 3, 6, 17, 20, 31, and 33. That's an unproven belief. Honestly, it's hard for me to believe that any rational person wouldn't share that belief.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2016, R.S. wrote: The original definition of atheist - one who believes (and isn't afraid to admit to believing) that there is no God.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
What is true is true. What then is the difference in believing something to be true, and proving something is true,
if indeed the belief is true. Proof doesn’t make something true; it only changes the belief of those that didn’t believe it in the beginning. The way I see it, all things in life don’t come with a guarantee, we must trust our belief. And if proof does come along (for or against) so be it, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was true (or untrue) the whole time. What is true is true. Tom
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