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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Hey, Danny -- I just put that in there to see if you were awake.
Actually, there are a number of articles on how if the draft was now in effect we would have fewer wars. If everyone's son had an equal right to go, then there would be fewer chances to go allowed by rich leaders. "right to life" is the issue. Shouldn't that be an equal opportunity? People behind on their student loan payments move to the head of the list is another idea. I just read things -- amazing what one can find.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Alternate reality bs and blathering by you is all that post is.
You don't just get to make up stories and pretend they are reality. Well I guess your can but don't complain when called on it and nobody takes you seriously.
Danny Doyle
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, Payne wrote: You must dislike your parents for doing the same Kam
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, The Hermit wrote: I agree he should be able to meet anyone including Kim Davis. You don 't learn or achieve anything by only talking to people you agree with. And I think if you look at what the Pope says, as opposed to what the media carries on about, all he has actually said is pretty much what you've said, 'Love the sinner, not the sin,' an expression I've rubbished before because of the people who use it insincerely, but an admirable sentiment when used sincerely. It's the press who make it seem as though he is ignoring doctrine, and the press turn black into white. I'm sure most people who are opposed to same sex marriage wouldn't have chosen Kim Davis to be the face of the issue, just like I'd prefer Caitlyn Jenner wasn't the current face of LGBTI, but we're all in the same boat because sensible reasoned discussion does not sell advertising for the media. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think the Pope was basically set up by Kim Davis's attorneys and an ultra conservative Vatican envoy. It makes no sense that Kim Davis would even want to see to Pope, given that her religions views him as an anti-Christ and Catholicism as evil.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
I agree Bob, I think it was the attorneys wanting the attention.
I also don’t think it was a ‘meeting’ it was sold as, please just say hello and bless her thing. Probably a minute or two at most. Tom
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, kambiz wrote: Fortunately they were unable to inflict their antiquated small minded morals on me.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, Payne wrote: It depends on the moral judgement. Did you have a problem with the moral judgment "People should be forced to purchase healthcare in order to reduce the cost to others" being imposed on people?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, Payne wrote: Haha fair enough! Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, The Hermit wrote: Wow, I'm sure out of step... Against marriage you say??? |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: HELL YES.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: as noted earlier, that is an ethical choice rather than a moral judgment. in a similar vein, why should I have to pay a high doctor bill to cover malpractice insurance? Why should the stated standard cost of a hospital room be based on a high level of non-payment? Why should an unnecessarily prescribed pet medicine only be available form a Vet? These are all ethical questions possibly founded on a moral position. What "moral" do you think is in play here? You can only make a moral judgment for yourself -- not for others.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2015, funsway wrote: Your attempts at clearing up "confusion" notwithstanding, my usage is supported by dictionary, which is my preferred source for word definitions.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
So are mine, plus learned sources that compare these important concepts.
"Ethics and morals relate to “right” and “wrong” conduct. While they are sometimes used interchangeably, they are different: ethics refer to rules provided by an external source, e.g., codes of conduct in workplaces or principles in religions. Morals refer to an individual’s own principles regarding right and wrong." the Grammarist But, what is more important is what specific moral you feel is being abused in your statement above? That is the clarity I seek. No one else need share your moral position, but you should be able to identify it. What person principle is involved here?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
It's not a matter of a moral being abused; it's a matter of a moral judgment being imposed on other people, which is something that people tend to complain about when they disagree with it, but not otherwise. My point was not about the specific issue, but the general issue that "legislating morality" tends not to bother people if the morality being legislated is consistent with their own.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
On another note, the distinction between "ethics" and "morals" is imprecise. Only in modern times, when professional "ethicists" began to be employed in certain industries, was such a distinction relevant. Even then, it is only relevant for them.
For normal people, "ethics" is the word for "correct behavior" based on classical Greek, and "morals" is the word for "correct behavior" based upon classical Latin. In other words, someone like, say, Pliny the Elder or Cato used a Latin word for the exact same concept as, say, Plato or Aristotle (or Plutarch, who wrote in Greek but lived in ancient Rome). That exact same concept, as I have explained, is "correct behavior". Aristotle meant it specifically to mean something like "good habits". Seen in this way (by normal people using normal language), not only is there no difference between morals and ethics; most people would even agree that people ought to have "good habits". The debate should involve what "good habits" actually are (and who gets to decide), but NOT whether good habits are good or ought to be recommended or enforced by a healthy community. As Lobo says, most people aren't really bothered by their own opinion of "good habits" being somehow official or protected by law. For example, most of us here at the Café would probably agree that the bad habit of driving a motor vehicle while incapacitated by alcohol ought be be discouraged. Laws against drunk driving seem fair enough. So do laws against slavery. But laws protecting unborn human beings from being terminated before birth? Hm. Some of us want to think about that a bit. What I'd like to add to the discussion is this: is terminating pregnancy a good habit? Really? Regardless of what we want to make punishable, and regardless of what we might consider to be private and none of our business, is it a good habit? And if not, what can we do to improve the situation? Yes, it might take the wisdom of Solomon to find the right balance. But it is also unwise not to see that a balance is necessary. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote: Complete agreement. Quote:
What I'd like to add to the discussion is this: is terminating pregnancy a good habit? Really? Regardless of what we want to make punishable, and regardless of what we might consider to be private and none of our business, is it a good habit? And if not, what can we do to improve the situation? Yes, it might take the wisdom of Solomon to find the right balance. But it is also unwise not to see that a balance is necessary. Perhaps this is a place where Aristotle's distinctions break down. Infrequent events (in a single life) like responding to an emergency, terminating a pregnancy, finding a fortune in a duffel bag, etc. are often not the domain of "habit". They require deliberation, understanding of motivation, and evaluation of foreseeable consequences.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Complete agreement. The consequence of living in a free society is also that we cherish the liberty to make our own decisions rather than having someone "wiser" than us making that decision for us. But again, that necessarily means that a lot of people make decisions that are not wise. I wouldn't change the law, in this case; but I would support changes (such as funding better education regarding reproduction, just to mention one single change) to prevent unwise decisions. It's something that those on one side of the issue sometimes seem to have a strange opinion about: let's prohibit abortion, and let's prohibit funding for alternatives. Not very Solomon-like, if you ask me. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Societies can have good habits, and individuals can have good habits. They are not necessarily the same. That's the problem.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: You've confused morals with ethics. But either way I did not support the current health care scheme. I was hoping for single payer like most of the rest of the industrialized world.
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