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Using a gibeciére deceptively is an art all in its self.

I am looking for video of a magician with a really good gibeciére (busker pouch) technique.

I spent hours searching YouTube with no success. I do recall seeing one or two performers a few years back with very deceptive loading skills.

Any performers jump to mind anyone?

Thanks for your ideas and input,
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You know you could look to Tony Slydinis work. I'm sure that his views on lapping can be applied at least in part.
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Horbi Kull [pronounced Herbi] is a student of Cellini.
Ive seen him live using a 'pouch' very well, and he was/is selling Cellini books. He also was selling the pouch he preferred the design
of..
A search engine results are at https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=horbi+kull+magic
Horbi can speak English so you should be able to correspond/speak o.k. to him. http://www.hoerbikull.ch/
Horbi and his products are mentioned in this thread from 2012: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=6
His web site for purchases is http://www.zauberladen.com/page52/page52.html
You can see a video of him performing Cups and Balls at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGJBCS9dYvo However, the video view often omits the balls on the table top.

This reference posted by Colin C. Schwamm, Dargaville, New Zealand on 26 Sept. 2015
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I don't know if this is what you are looking for or not, but here is my pouch technique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaHZ1Eyd4aE



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So this guy comes out on the Stage.
Dressed seemingly 'normal'.
,...Levi's,
Nikes,
Fruit-of-the-Loom T-shirt,
Calvin Klein micro-trunk-underwear,
Burlington socks,...
..............a parachute harness,
with two inch, steel re-inforced cables attached,
extending from his back
towards the ceiling.
(*...that we all pretend we don't see.*)

"Ladies, Gentlemen, and Germans,.
in a few precious monents,
I will ascend into the heavens!
Fly above you!!
Miraclulously!!!
Magicaly.
Astonishingly.
,...you'll not have a clue...."
{"i am sö clever!!!!"}

Does anyone really think pouches fool anybody?
?
????,..!,..?
?
igal HOW good the technique is,..?
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Germans,....we're fooling ourselves.
gallagher

p.s.: I admitt.
I WAS impressed with the word 'Gibeciere'.
,to the point,
where I reach for my Langenscheid,
and looked the word up...
"French"....
,...'Jagdtasche' (German),
{"Hunter's Bag"}
,...where the word 'Poacher' comes from(!),..
i found that interesting.

p.s.: Jim Cellini was maybe the best with the gibeciere.
He thought, worked, and taught a lot about it.
(check out his lectures at 'reel magic'.)
,..at the end of his career his was 'gibiciere-less'.
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Didn't Cellini refit his costume to do the same job though? I seem to recall that his pants had the regular pant pockets as well as two large ones on the front. Not as big as the apron but not as small as a normal pocket either.


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If readers of this thread are interested to check out special pockets in pants take a look at this older thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=6
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On Sep 26, 2015, MagiCol wrote:
Horbi Kull [pronounced Herbi] is a student of Cellini.
Ive seen him live using a 'pouch' very well, and he was/is selling Cellini books. He also was selling the pouch he preferred the design
of..


Horbi Kull is a great guy and also a humble man. For example he enroled on to the Focus of Street magic in Las Vegas that I run with jeff McBride. The School of Busking is also UK only suppler of original products Like the Roayl Touch or Cups by Cellini. www.schoolofbusking.com
Horbi and I talked at lengh in regards to Cellini, we have worked together in Germany and Switzerland but he was very pleased to perform his show on the Strip. Hear is a video Horbi appears on hear a few times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALE65MRP-hA
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Thanks a million to everyone who offered their ideas, thoughts and the video links they were all very helpful!

All the best,
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Todd V has some nice technique. Nice overall routine as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2riVLA_OGo

JoeJoe, nice idea with the flap. I use a solid black bandana to cover the contents of what's inside my pouch.
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"Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM
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Johnny Fox is great with the pouch.. Loads a full wine glass

IMHO too many "modern" magicians are working from a pouch - I suggest a servante... To me , I still look at the pouch as something that should have stayed in the Renaissance era. By the early 20th century pouches were obsolete... Then several decades later, Renaissance festivals began and became more and more popular.. If you are doing a renaissance act it makes sense..

But to me someone wearing a suit or modern clothing and a pouch around their waist just doesn't look right...

Paraphrasing here but prof. Hoffman wrote something along the lines of the pouch being long disused by tthe early 20th century - and if a performer should appear In one in modern times they run the risk of being mistaken as a hairdresser - I agree
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I use a side pouch from Ambitious Card when I do the ch*p cup and a Gazzo pouch when I do cups and balls.

For me, it's someplace to hold the cups and the small balls. (Yes, the loads are there but my mindset is that they hold the cups and small balls. Not sure if that matters but I thought it was worth noting in case people have magician's guilt. )
With the cups, I come out with the pouch on and take the cups out of the pouch. Then I take the balls out.
Then comes the routine and the revelation of the final loads.

I too thought it was pretty obvious where the loads are coming from.
And it took a while for this to sink in.
But, to the contrary, people would come up to me after the show and say something to the effect of: "I have no idea where those baseballs came from."
This happened more often than not and nobody ever came to me and said, "Those baseballs came out of that bag, right?"

So, I know I'm not the king of loading from a poacher's pouch. But judging from people comments over the years I can only assume that even though they may see the bag, they somehow don't connect the loads to the bag.

And hear is something else to ponder.

At the end of my routine I vanish the balls one at a time and you can hear them dropping into an empty pouch as ball drops and then hits leather.
Does that "empty" sound of the pouch cancel the fact of the loads coming from there because people aren't "thinking ahead" like magicians?

The other thing to think about and this should cancel out the above; when I'm done, I place EVERYTHING back into the pouch. So why wouldn't they think it came from there.

I don't know.
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"The Coin Board Book" - moves and routines with the coin panel board. - http://www.lybrary.com/the-coin-board-book-p-827955.html
"SLASHER - A Horror Whodunnit" - a bizarre close-up routine based on Bob Neale's "Sole Survivor."
PM me for more info.
"Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM
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Many thanks EVILDAN & G.Gilbert

Very nice Cup & Ball routines by Todd Various and Johnny Fox! Both have different final load technique; you can tell they’ve given it lots of thought and practice.

Todd Various’ hat pass is brilliant!

All the best,
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Jimmy Talksalot has a very clever and original way of using his pouch. But to my knowledge, he has not published his techniques.
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At the lecture by Horbi Kull here in Auckland, New Zealand, he started by talking about the bulk of the pouch and explained that as time passed as we watched him, the presence of the pouch would fade from out notice. That's exactly what happened.

The public is presumably so occupied with the presentation of any Cups and Balls that where the objects came from - pouch or servant - fades into insignificance to them.
The magician misdirects with talk and hand actions and what is happening on the table top.
The presentation makes the magic.
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I think the basic idea is:
Go in and out of the pouch regularly but don't linger.
When you do enter the pouch it should be for a logical reason, e.g., putting something away.
If your hand reaches into the pouch for no logical reason, it's a good indicator that you may need to re-structure your routine.
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On Sep 30, 2015, Frank Starsini wrote:
I think the basic idea is:
Go in and out of the pouch regularly but don't linger.
When you do enter the pouch it should be for a logical reason, e.g., putting something away.
If your hand reaches into the pouch for no logical reason, it's a good indicator that you may need to re-structure your routine.


So your saying the rules of your pocket is the same as the pouch?
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It seems like it. At least in that regard.

If I do this in a parlor type show, I introduce the pouch as standard street performers' gear, used to hold props and money so they don't get stolen.
And I pull the cups, balls, wand out of the pouch when I begin cups routine.

In doing so, there's a reason I put it on in the first place. A demonstration of "how street performers work".
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On Sep 30, 2015, TheAmbitiousCard wrote:
It seems like it. At least in that regard.

If I do this in a parlor type show, I introduce the pouch as standard street performers' gear, used to hold props and money so they don't get stolen.
And I pull the cups, balls, wand out of the pouch when I begin cups routine.

In doing so, there's a reason I put it on in the first place. A demonstration of "how street performers work".


Indeed another reason to have pockets on your pouch, which mine unfortunately don't have. Not saying I don't like it...
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