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Snoogansgt New user 74 Posts |
Sorry...didn't mean for my response to post twice.
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Sealegs, thank you very much for your advices. Especially the comment about the appearing card that is better to not be in alignment it is very very clever..I also believe that the vanishing of the last ace is a bit weak, but I don't know anyone who performs "invisible palm" and does something else except the rub-a-dub move. Iam still working in this move, I believe that rub-a-dub can be VERY deceptive. If someone does the move in perfection the audience REALLY believe that the card goes under the hand. My handling is not perfect yet... bUt it will be! Im analyzing the move and I will master it soon. But what other solution do you have in mind for the last card except this move? Skinner, Jennings, and P. Harris they use this as the final vanish. And as I know there are not many vanishes of a card (that leaves you clean) that are very deceptive. Do you have anything to suggest?
Thanks Snoogangst, I know it seems better to follow the ace, but in my experience the audience doesn't follow the cards, and maybe they are confused in a way...I think the specific effect must rely on it's visual nature. But is my opinion only. |
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doopyloop Regular user 150 Posts |
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On Oct 21, 2015, Billy-one wrote: I think my points is not understand. This is ok. My english is bad. This is situation. C2====X====C1. C means Card. C2 is place cards go. C1 is place cards start. X means middle place. Hand go to C1 and pretend take card. Hand should be show empty at X. Then hand go to C2 and then show new card arrive. This make effect super clean and super clear. If hand go from C1 then C2 and THEN show empty, this is not so clean and clear. Like I say this is not big point though. But there isn't reason to not consider it. |
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Ramon M New user 38 Posts |
Most of you will know this version already, but as an alternative for the rub a dub.
Angle sensitive it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngAHCjJJi4 |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
This is an updated version. I recorded it today. I worked to the rub a dub vanish, now it is slower and more convincing: https://youtu.be/2GcTwl_D890
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ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
All I would say is to make sure that when you show your hand empty you still have it held as though are card is palmed.
Reality is a real killjoy.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Each time you place down an "invisible card" I think you should strive to have NO motion of your hand to the right. It should look like you simply placed the invisible card down and lifted your hand straight up. This is done by contacting the card with the heel (side) of your hand and then as your hand turns down the card is rolled to the right without any movement of the hand toward the right.
The rub a dub vanishes look great. On the last one I was actually fooled and thought you really had left the card as a feint. |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I agree in both comments. Many thanks guys!!
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
I know you are posting videos to get feedback on technique but I want to add a comment that I personally hate magic videos set to music. It may be just a pet peeve of mine. I'd much rather have a casual narration than music.
Are you planning to actually perform this for real people? |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Yes, I already performed it with big success. But I want to make it more and more perfect. I want to perform a few effects but know them perfectly, like a master magician. Iam still working on these. These videos are just for the Café or to show to a friend rarely. The music is a general sound to make the video looks more proffesional without unwanted sounds. Iam not planning to be a director or a youtube magician also , my english are not quite good, so believe me, maybe you will prefer the music!!!
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Nope. I'd prefer ambient noise to music. No big deal though. I understand that these are just for study.
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SimonG-97 Special user 508 Posts |
Very good, can tell you've put the work in on this routine. My only suggestions would be to work on the tent vanish more and rub a dub dub be done more smoothly.
Additionally, before the last phase you should be spreading 3 cards to the left, showing the double card as the last ace, pushing the cards flush once more and laying the ace down on the mat. Re spreading the 4 as 3. And then doing the rub a dub vanish. The point is you out the card on top of the deck and do the vanish show that it's gone. Do the finale. And then either show the ace is NOT on top of the deck immediately after the rub a dub dub vanish or you do it afterwards . The whole point of the last sequence of moves is that convincing aspect, you shouldn't just leave it out IMO |
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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
Juliano,
Congratulations on the diligent work you've already put into the Open Travelers/Invisible Palm effect. I offer three suggestions: 1. Avoid opening (separating, spreading) the fingers and thumb of the hand when purporting to display the card in the now "invisible palm." Some magi will disagree, but here is my thinking: You want the audience to at least entertain the belief that the card they just saw you openly palm from the stack might actually somehow be secreted beneath the flesh of the hand. In my view, this belief is destroyed by spreading apart the fingers because the card is larger that just the palm of the hand. If your internal dialogue/script is that you actually are doing what you purport to be doing -- demonstrating a top secret, legendary, underground, Grail-like card cheating technique referred to in hushed tones in dingy gambling rooms -- then try to make every movement and display consistent with that theme. You might even feign some physical discomfort (and then relief?) as you absorb the card into the hand and then extrude it. In the same vein (pun acknowledged), endeavor not to trivialize any of the disappearances or reappearances of a card just to get on with the next phase of the routine. You are demonstrating something superhuman or, at least, utterly freakish. 2. Consider terminology besides "invisible palm." Yes, that has become the standard terminology of those who perform this demonstration, and maybe there is nothing better, but maybe there is. At the very least, consider explaining in general terms what "palming" is, why it is a valuable card cheat's technique, and its shortcomings. You might already do this but if not, I assure you that audiences find it interesting and it makes what you then do more fascinating, astonishing, and meaningful. 3. The most convincing handling and execution of the rub-a-dub vanish I've seen is Glenn Morphew's Rub A Dub Deluxe. Eye-popping. It is available as an instant download video from a number of online dealers. Also, Wayne Houchin adds a lovely audible convincer to the Rub--A-Dub vanish in his performance and explanation of The Invisible Palm on DVD 7 of the Paul Harris True Astonishment 9-DVD box set. Good luck! |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
I second everything the good doctor Andrews says above. Here are a couple more thoughts:
- The Ascanio spread demands a smooth, kinetic flow, with each card constantly in motion. Here, you opt for a more static, inert approach that ends up making the move look contrived and studied. But even when done properly, the spread can look out of place in most hands for the simple reason that it doesn't *fit* most performance styles. If this video is any indication of your typical style, I would hazard a guess that that's true for you as well. In that case, I would for a simple back spread in lieu of the Ascanio technique. - Since we don't hear your presentation here, this could be something you address in your performance. But as it is now, there really is no reason to put down the initial card. I don't recall if Harris had a motivation for this action, but one simple fix would be to demonstrate what palming is by openly palming the initial double and laying it down on the table. Not only does this make sense, but it also addresses one of Andrews' points above: the audience may have difficulty wrapping their heads around the notion of an "invisible palm" without some sort of explanation. - Be sure to study Harris' tips on the Tent Vanish. His touches on improving the retention of vision are key. That's all. Tip top Rub a Dub! I must say, it fooled me. R |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Thank you guys, E. S. Andrews and Pupkin. Your advices are valuable for refining this nice routine. SImonG-97 can ypu be more specific about the tent vanish? Wasn't deceptive? Also about rub-a-dub, I think it is a move that Iam doing it smoothly. Iam open to critic and this is why I post here, but be more specific please, if you want to help, but many thanks anyway!
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SimonG-97 Special user 508 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2016, Juliano wrote: It was deceptive, I just think it was a little rushed dramatically as mentioned above. "Palm" the card, and then make it appear into your hand. In the video it looked like you made the card vanish , I think maybe in real life scripted performances it would be different but use the internal monologue of "so ill Just palm the card, and now secrete it into my hand, ok and now make it reappear on the table" and act that out |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Got it. Thank you
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
My only gripe, over a year ago, was the rub-a-dub.
This time,it was very, very well done. Really deceptive!
What do we want?
A cure for tourettes! When do we want it? C*nt! |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Thank you very much Ray Tupper!
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