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The Chetter
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I just purchased "The Raven" and am trying to master it. Does anyone have any tips on good places to attach and conceal it? I would appreciate any suggestions.
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Well, it's best just to follow the instructions fully; you will get the best results with the Raven by doing so. If you don't have the video, get it --it has a lot of neat ideas you can do with it.

Go ahead and pick up a copy of Bobo's Modern Coin Magic while you're at it. I started out playing with the Raven, and thought it was great,(which it was for one type of trick)but it has been boxed since I ventured into the gimmickless sleight of hand. You will truly benefit from getting Bobo's.
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I also have the video for the Raven, and will sell it to you at a discount price. If you are interested,
drop me a note at Tdefrange@wjhw.com
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The RAVEN can be used in conjuction with pure sleight of hand. It's a great 'tool' to use, and truly looks better when used in addition to the pure stuff. As a stand-alone gimmick, it can be quite effective, but again, think about using it in conjunction with pure sleights.

Definitely acquire the video! Chuck shows you just about everything you'd want to know about the RAVEN. From proper attachment, to some pretty neat effects.

Pretty much, the only effect I use the RAVEN for is the final, complete vanish of the coin. I've used this vanish in part, with a FISM FLASH... and the reaction is quite astonishing (the coin vanishes instantly in a bright flash of light.)

Practice doing the moves without the RAVEN first, and then when you see how things look in the real-world, bring in the RAVEN for the actual moves. This will help your movements with the RAVEN look much more realistic.

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I am novice magician and I keep hearing about the Raven. Can some explain exactly what it is? Thanks.
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The Raven is a utility device based upon an old principle, primarily used to vanish objects. David Blaine used it in one of his specials to vanish a coin in the spectator's hand.

Most applications require long sleeves. Although Chuck outlines a T-shirt application, I'd be curious to know if anyone actually uses the Raven in short sleeves.

Oops! I forgot the original application --the one that fried me in a magic shop-- wherein the Raven is used with a short sleeve, button-up shirt.
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The Raven is a great utility, as long as it isn't abused....You can perform miracles with it....I dislike the way it looks when using it in short sleeves, as to me, the hand positioning required looks 'fishy'
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I'm experimenting with various types of shirts and positions. So far I haven't found anything that I'm real comfortable with. I will keep you posted if I make any worthwhile discoveries.

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I too have the Raven and the Raven video, but as I am now learning more, I have no use for it, so I am looking to sell them both.

Anyone interested please p.m. me and we can do a deal.

Regards, Trevor
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I've used the Raven a lot with short sleeves. Sometimes you may have to unbutton one button to aid it going into your shirt, but some shirts are fine.
Also, remember to do your vanishing move slowly. If you do it fast, it looks fishy.
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I have the standard Raven and it's okay. It's not my style though. It's expensive buying steel coins and a pain to have on your arm the whole day. If you always wear jackets and dressy long sleeve shirts and have patience then I would recommend the Raven. Be prepared to also purchase some steel or shimmed coins if you really want to make the best use out of it.

Get the standard raven. From what I heard the reel raven gets noisy after a while. Universal raven has gotten some mixed reviews so I'm not too sure about that. Also the video is a MUST HAVE if you're buying the raven. So many handling tips and ideas that will help immensely.

You can go to google.com and search for "universal raven review" you might get something there.

Hope this helps

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Did you know that a shiny new two pence piece can be picked up, I have the reel raven and use quite a lot when strolling, and I just ask for a two pence piece, I haven't bought any steel coins yet (don't think I will)

oh and a one pence piece
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Hello.
In fact I have tried it with a shirt!
It works better than with the jacket in my opinion. Smile
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I just use a very loose shirt.

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I can't make it look natural in short sleves and also is there a way to do it in a tee-shirt with out an overshirt? I own the original if that makes a difference! Smile
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I can do it comfortably in a t-shirt and jeans. I leave the shirt untucked and thread the gimmick thru my belt loops to the front of me. They act as a guide for it. Also, it makes it very easy to grab that 'something' to start the trick. The one drawback is that the whole trick takes place lower to the floor at waist level, but I continue to use it this way and am pleased with it.
PS- The reel raven is junk. Get the original. Happy magic!
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I believe I posted this somewhere else on the site, but I will say it again here,
One thing I have found incredibly strong when using the Raven is vanishing a BIC lighter, or even a zippo, I wear a sports coat when I perform and it is a very simple matter to vanish a lighter, and show the sleeves to be empty.. even take off the jacket and give it a shake to show that the lighter is no where to be found...
this works excellent for me, because in the process of putting the jacket back on, I can retrieve the lighter.(much easier than a coin) and conceal it for a production later on in my routine... just thought I would throw this in, there is a lot you can do with a raven despite all of the bad flack it catches from those that have learned sleight of hand so well...
Also, I am excellent at sleight of hand as well, and have mastered a great number of
techniques using no gimmicks at all....
but I still use the Raven on occasion..
it really blows the spectators away.
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I've been performing the RAVEN around school for a year now, and it's still one of my favorite effects. Definitely go with the Standard RAVEN, because the Reel version (I kid you not) squeaked when I used it. I only had it about 2 weeks and it was way too loud. Also, I've been looking around for a shimmed, expanded half dollar shell to use with the RAVEN, because I really don't want to use the one I have for the Hopping Half (If you've never heard of it, check it out, it's awesome!!) I've tried to buy shims from hobby shops but haven't been successful. So if someone could help me out I'd appreciate it greatly.

~Haas
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Most of the PK shim/add on kits will work.
Check Chazpro.com they have three different shim sets and special things for the Raven as well.

There is also a White Raven for white linen shirts.
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Don't wash it!!! I bought the "reel" raven and accidentally washed it in my sport coat. The string is stuck inside it now and won't come out! Oh well. I never used it a lot but I did like to fool around with it. So again I don't suggest washing it in the washing machine. Also don't lose your special quarter! I searched through hundreds of quarters until I finally found the thing!
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Go to a dealer that deals Mak Magic products. They can hook you up with shimmed shells, magnetic core coins, and steel core coins. Smile
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