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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
I think anyone can read between the lines and understand what John is trying to say - no need to rake him over the coals for a statement that reflects his enthusiasm for the product.
I've been watching this project from behind the scenes prior to it's development and release - and it fills a niche and a void for many (including me!) that have never delved into the are of hypnosis within their act. Prince - you've made your point - we all know that hypnosis is by no means perfect or foolproof - but even so Flex5 will allow you to do some pretty crazy stuff. Happy Thanksgiving
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12938 Posts |
I stand by "No fear of failure" with one small caveat... Unless you r a nimrod. Haha
Let's wait and c what ustaad has to add to it all. |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Regardless what you meant - you still made the comment referring that this method is no fear of failing. So perhaps there is a new method out there with no fear of failure and this is it?
Just don't make a comment that is not true - that's all. Because novices may take your comment as being sure fire and may purchase it because of your comment - no fear of failure |
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
It was pretty obvious what John meant. Maybe chill out a bit?
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
My initial comment wasn't called for to be attacked, by yet it was. So I'm just now clarifying that don't make comments that are not true. Again, put yourself in novices position and read that post - you would order it thinking it's fail safe. So no it's not pretty obvious what he meant - maybe to you, but may not be to others.
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craig filicetti V.I.P. Arizona 550 Posts |
Hi Guys, all of you have been customers for a long time. I don't want he ad copy to be misleading in any way on any product I sell or recommend. This has always been our philosophy.
Flex5 is Hypnosis training. 'Out of your Mind' is an effect that is fail safe, and it allows you to practice what you have learned. 100% of people will not be hypnotized but that has no or minimal impact on the effect. I hope that makes sense and in no way suggesting Hypnosis is 100%. In the middle of the demo video Michael and I tried to make this point very clear. @Prince "I have a lot of work by Anthony Jacquin inc the Trilby collection ect." I also have a lot of Anthony's work and I think it is great. I would recommend it to anyone as there is so much good information. After watching it I was still not confident in going out and performing. I tried a few things but stopped after it did not work on a few people. It was not until I learned Flex5 and started performing 'Out of Your Mind' that I personally started performing Hypnosis. So to answer your question, if you are performing Hypnosis now with success, I don't think this will add significantly to what you are doing. Out of Your Mind is a nice effect that gives you a platform to practice/perform Hypnosis. If I am ever asked to do a hypnosis demonstration I now have a goto effect and lots of practice to make if happen if I get good subjects. If I don't get the best subjects I still have a nice effect that looks good. I will say my success rate has gone up dramatically since I started doing this a few years ago and I do it in nearly every show. Best, Craig
ProMystic - Professional Systems For Mentalists
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On Nov 27, 2015, PRINCE wrote: I agree that the wording could have been better perhaps - but it seems clarified now and I think we all need a group hug.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12938 Posts |
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On Nov 27, 2015, saysold1 wrote: Hmmmmm, I believe PRINCE may have implied I am lying. Can't have that. I stand by fail safe. I believe flex5 and the out of your mind is fail safe. I sure do. Fail safe. Won't retract that comment. PRINCE, if you buy this and you still disagree with me based on what you receive that the routine isn't fail safe you come back here tell us all what happened and why what I said is not true, I will refund your money. Period! I too own Joaquin stuff and other hypno products. Your friend, J |
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markhitton Special user 964 Posts |
Mr Cesta is great,i agree with my friend Professor Ustaad he is totally affordable ,i believe him.
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Thanks Craig for all the info - sounds great and yes even though I'm hypnotising successfully now, I still think this would be a great addition as well.
Its not a case I implied your lying John, I just cant understand how someone can post a comment making reference to future performances using Flex5 training by anyone is 100% stating that by using this method is fail safe in making your spectator go under? You cant - and will never be able to claim that as a true statement. There are lots of factors to take into consideration, the most being if they will allow you to put them under or for what ever reason they wont go under - which are lots. that's why even Craig mentions that hypnosis is not 100% on everyone (even the flex5 training). Your implication is stating that the Flex5 (hynosis training) is 100% sure fire. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Craig has stated the 'out of your mind' (which is an effect) is fail safe - but suggesting Flex5 is (becasue he cant and that's why hes kindly clarified that hypnosis is not 100% fail safe which is the flex5 training) So the point is you could be the best hypnotist in the world using this principle Flex5, yet it still does not guarantee they will go under. So for that reason this is not fail safe - nor is any method of hypnosis, induction etc. You cant make that comment as without repeating myself to a novice looking into hypnosis (or anyone to that) and they see a comment basically saying that by using this method (flex5) its 100% sure fire this will work or 100% failsafe. This indicates that who ever carries this out this training, every single person and at every single time will go under no matter what - that what this reads, can read and means. Which with so many factors why someone sometimes wont go under, just by using this principle or method wont make a difference. that's why your statement is not correct |
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hypnocom New user 3 Posts |
I want to say and this is really hard to wrap around minds of hypnotists but there is no script. It's called the Flex 5 for a reason!
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Steve Suss Inner circle 1193 Posts |
Prince John never said you will put someone under 100 percent of the time. He said you will never fear failure. There is a big difference. I don't yet own this but I suspect it is a way to appear to put everyone under. It's a confidence builder so even if there is complete failure you come out looking like a hero. It sounds perfect for someone who's always wanted to add hypnotism to their act but didn't have the confidence to just jump in and do it in front of an audience. Sounds intriguing.
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
What??? With all due respect Steve, john is not implying you won't fear failure I think you have misinterpreted this wrongly - please read the posts. What john is standing by, and I quote by him that "Flex5 is fail safe" - read the above quotes. Which means that no mater who performs flex5 and who you perform this to - it will never fail. That's what fail safe means. Also Steve that's exactly what john is stating - that by demonstrating Flex5 you will put anyone under 100% no matter what. That's what he is stating and implying - which again this is wrong because this 100% will not be the case.
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Steve Suss Inner circle 1193 Posts |
He said "no fear of failure". I don't interpret that as fail safe unless I missed something. As a mentalist I often take risks that I might not if I didn't have a good out. This gives me the confidence to take these risks. I have "no fear of failure" even though I know my effect is not fail safe because I know in the eyes of the audience I have brought this to a successful conclusion. That's my interpretation of "no fear of failure" but then again I don't own this and could be wrong. We'll have to let owners and creators of this to chime in for the correct interpretation.
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craig filicetti V.I.P. Arizona 550 Posts |
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On Nov 26, 2015, PRINCE wrote: I think I have read all the posts. I don't think John said anything more than the add copy says to be honest. With other material I learned I could not practice without fear of failure but with this I can. Again, I am not saying Hypnosis is 100% but my success rate is much higher without fear of failure. Best -Craig
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
"Out of your Mind" is !00% fail safe. That is not the same as saying the "Flex 5" system is 100% fail safe. Not sure there isn't a great deal of beating a straw man to death here. I have even thought of doing "Out of your Mind" as an "anti-hypnosis" effect, something along the lines of "Get Sharkey", which uses a similar method (not the hypnosis part).
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markhitton Special user 964 Posts |
Craig just a question:Is flex 5 based on more than one induction method or are teached different methods ?
i have manchurian approach just want to know if the method teached is something new and different from M.APproach methods. Thanks Craig |
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Ihmemies New user 28 Posts |
Out of this mind does sound pretty interesting!
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
There is ddifference between the phrase "no fear of failure" you either mean A that you are not fearful of performing flex5 and incase it does go wrong (does not put someone under) then doesn't matter as your not scared or fearful to try it. Or it means B that it's 100% fail safe and you are not scared to try it because you know 100% it will work - no fear of failure - you don't fear anything because you know it won't fail you. So that phrase can be taken/read 2 ways.
I'm referring to B and if anyone has this approach or opinion about it, then they are 100% wrong and completely naive in thinking this will 100% work no matter what and when also who you perform this to. Hypnosis does not like that and is not guaranteed - no matter what method you try. Sorry for the ongoing re this phrase, but just it's for clarification in case John was referring to example A (which is good) and I thought he was referring to B. |
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
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On Nov 30, 2015, PRINCE wrote: For someone who does not own the effect I am amazed that you have such a strong opinion. What you fail to understand is that the reason you are wrong is because understanding why would reveal method, which neither I nor anyone else who ACTUALLY HAS THE EFFECT is willing to do. You like to parse words, my friend, to prove your point, but in your rush to do that you do not (and cannot) see why you are just tilting at windmills. Get the effect and your questions will be answered. And please don't tell us you are only referring to the ad copy. What the ad copy says is accurate. If and when you actually watch the video you will understand that. |
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